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Minoc 05-20-2002 10:12 PM

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You should really think before you speak. Even if some one was foolish that wouldnt have any effect on there ability to understand something. Foolishness is not based on intelligence. Not to mention Understanding doesnt play a major role in history since its more of recalling what you heard, read, saw, etc... Now understanding the why and how it happened maybe but you can still know the history with out it. Understanding is more of something that would be in mathematics or science. For the most part that is.
Now all things aside you also shouldnt be calling me foolish when you have no idea what things he was saying that was incorrect. He even ended up not being rehired because of it.
That and you have no idea of knowing what I do or dont know.

The history you learn in school is based on facts ;P

draygin 05-20-2002 10:14 PM

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The history you learn in school is based on facts ;P

Facts from the american point of view. Oh no Minoc didnt like what I had to say and dropped my rating. :rolleyes: That rating system is so stupid all these people voting for themselves and ****.

Terazel Tenjin 05-20-2002 10:14 PM

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The history you learn in school is based on facts ;P

You'd be surprised how much they reword it and how much isn't mentioned in the books. And those cynical historians tend to be bias, anyway.

Mman 05-21-2002 08:16 AM

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It saved American lives. But killing millions of men women and children is ok if it saves americans.

It saved lives from every country the war, even Japan. The alternative to the atomic bomb was a ground invasion. The Japanese would fight to the last man, this battle could have gone on for months and be a stalemate, doing nothing but eating lives from every side, such a battle could have killed millions of soldiers before it ended. As it was w/ the a-bombs, two of them were dropped, and Japan knew it was defeated and surrendered. War is war, innocent people die. It can't affect a battle, it may be reduced, but never eliminated.

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I read an artical that talked about how the US killed 750,000 women and children in the middle east in the name of freedom.
I'm sure this article was from a 100% unbiased source too, wasn't it? Even if it were true, such casualties probably came from bombings, I seriously doubt that the US army would go through the city streets and massacre people as you make it sound like they did. As I said above, war is war and innocent ppl die in a war. It can't affect those who fight or they will end up being killed to avoid casualties.


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Sort of makes you take a second look at sept 11th. 10,000 men women and children 750,000.
Nothing could ever make me take a second look at 9-11 and say it wasn't so bad. I still belive it was a good reason to level terrorist camps w/hydrogen bombs.

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Also I'm sure if osama played graal he'd find the guild US offensive ;)
Osama could go to hell then, he already will when he dies.

Mman 05-21-2002 08:21 AM

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Facts from the american point of view.

From the Iraqi point of view they won the Gulf War, anyone who knows about that would be truly stupid to believe that. The casualties of that war were about 100 Iraqi to every 1 American.

draygin 05-21-2002 09:03 PM

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It saved lives from every country the war, even Japan. The alternative to the atomic bomb was a ground invasion. The Japanese would fight to the last man, this battle could have gone on for months and be a stalemate, doing nothing but eating lives from every side, such a battle could have killed millions of soldiers before it ended. As it was w/ the a-bombs, two of them were dropped, and Japan knew it was defeated and surrendered. War is war, innocent people die. It can't affect a battle, it may be reduced, but never eliminated.



I'm sure this article was from a 100% unbiased source too, wasn't it? Even if it were true, such casualties probably came from bombings, I seriously doubt that the US army would go through the city streets and massacre people as you make it sound like they did. As I said above, war is war and innocent ppl
die in a war. It can't affect those who fight or they will end up being killed to avoid casualties.




Nothing could ever make me take a second look at 9-11 and say it wasn't so bad. I still belive it was a good reason to level terrorist camps w/hydrogen bombs.



Osama could go to hell then, he already will when he dies.

So killing millions of women and children to save lives of other countries? They didnt know how long it would take. They just assume. Hey we blew the **** out of them they surrendered. We must have saved lives. Then you also take into account the millions of people dying from then to present day from the radiation poisoning and sickness.

Times magazine sure is a biased source. ;) 750,000 from bombs dropping bombs. Either we have some really stupid people deciding what are targets. Or some people have really bad aim. Babies are such elite terrorist shock troops you know.

Hydrogen bombs. On the terrorist camps? Now with that thinking I can understand the high civilian casulaties. Can we say overkill? Doing that would kill millions of innocent people. Not to mention millions more from radiation poisoning.

Osama going to hell is all depending on your point of religion and such. Which I'd rather not get into.

Who controls Iraq right now? Do we?

Mman 05-22-2002 07:07 AM

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So killing millions of women and children to save lives of other countries? They didnt know how long it would take. They just assume. Hey we blew the **** out of them they surrendered. We must have saved lives. Then you also take into account the millions of people dying from then to present day from the radiation poisoning and sickness.

As I said before, war is war. It must be ended quickly no matter what the cost. The atomic bomb did just that. Radiation poisoning may be a bad part of it, but that doesn't mean that the US shouldn't have used it.


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Times magazine sure is a biased source. ;) 750,000 from bombs dropping bombs. Either we have some really stupid people deciding what are targets. Or some people have really bad aim. Babies are such elite terrorist shock troops you know.
Did it say how they died? If not, they have no business making it sound like our soldiers went into a civilian area and just opened fire.

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Hydrogen bombs. On the terrorist camps? Now with that thinking I can understand the high civilian casulaties. Can we say overkill? Doing that would kill millions of innocent people. Not to mention millions more from radiation poisoning.
Overkill? There is no overkill. These terrorists must be stopped no matter what the cost. War is war and innocent people may die. It can't affect what is done to stop the terrorists, otherwise there will always be terrorists.

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Who controls Iraq right now? Do we?
No, so-damn insane does, and still will until he dies or is overthrown by rebels or the US army.

draygin 05-22-2002 09:37 PM

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As I said before, war is war. It must be ended quickly no matter what the cost. The atomic bomb did just that. Radiation poisoning may be a bad part of it, but that doesn't mean that the US shouldn't have used it.




Did it say how they died? If not, they have no business making it sound like our soldiers went into a civilian area and just opened fire.



Overkill? There is no overkill. These terrorists must be stopped no matter what the cost. War is war and innocent people may die. It can't affect what is done to stop the terrorists, otherwise there will always be terrorists.



No, so-damn insane does, and still will until he dies or is overthrown by rebels or the US army.

Thank you. With your responses I think I've proven my points. It's ok for millions to die even if they're women and children as long as those millions arn't american.

As for the 750,000 it wasnt just one set way. ;)


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