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ZanderX 01-05-2002 06:51 PM

Re: =/
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Ape2k1
i am not offering hjelp that isnt needed, stefan asked for help so i am offering it.

You offered C++ Programming and stuff.


That is not needed.

vovavziggy 01-05-2002 07:02 PM

One of the biggest problems in Graal in my opinion, is the fact that once something new is created. Practically everyone moves on and leaves the past project behind. There are perfect examples of this with Classic and 2001, and the same will probably happen once 2002 is out.
Everyone knows that they have better opportunities in a new project, so they leave the old one behind, and it is left unmonitored by anyone.
Graals' problems are simple, it's just that no one is willing to deal with them.

Jap 01-05-2002 08:57 PM

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Originally posted by Kasuagi


quests would be a nice addition, more group quests. some stuff that requires team work and cooperation. someone or something needs to rekindel the graalian spirit

NUUU! No more heart quests at least. 5 hearts looks so pretty. Just think about what 6 hearts would look like...=X

Saga2001 01-06-2002 04:16 AM

Complaints...
 
Hi!
i am just posting this as a comment. I am with koni, in many ways, however, i think that the graal players really need to look around, i now know over 15 people who take graal too seriously. And Pay to play doesn't help, because if someone's account gets hacked not only are people pissed it got hacked, but that they paid for it. It irritates me that there are so many people who have nothing better todo than complain, look at what you have, Stafan has offered a great game for you to play. Stefan, however, you need to possibly hire someone or yourself handle what people complain about, because some of it if organized, could be very benificial to the game. You should also make a corrupt-o-meter, for every complaint about a staff member being corrupt, you add a mark, if its legit, and if they have so many complaints they are gond, no matter what. I think that there are too many corrupt staff, the only staff i can think of are the ones who do their jobs and don't come out a lot on graal and rc to play the game, like Contego, Zorro, and Unixmad. Those are the kind of staff who there need to be more of, unfortunatly there aren't a lot of good people in the world. There are a lot of players who if they had rc, they would abuse it, and do things that would be un called for, but there are some people who are staff currently who i would be enraged if anyone called them corrupt, like alkren, and birdbird, they do their jobs, and well, so don't complain. there are still good people, but i believe that the hiring peocess should not depend on online time, or on stuff like that, but if they get along with people, if they are in the game for the game or for the staff tools. I think that is truely what should be evaluated. Sorry if i annoyed you, good if i helped.
--PastAustin

yoshee15 01-06-2002 05:55 AM

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Originally posted by Kasuagi


quests would be a nice addition, more group quests. some stuff that requires team work and cooperation. someone or something needs to rekindel the graalian spirit

yea, but quests take a long time to do and only offer players a very limited amount of enjoyment, then it's all over. where as mini games or other projects (i.e bomy fighitng) offer mannnny hours of enjoyment.

PsychopathicRyda 01-06-2002 08:38 AM

Re: What has Graal become?
 
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Originally posted by konidias
Posting this for the FOURTH time.. without anything to do with 2k2 staff or any other reason I can see it would be deleted because of unreleased 2k2 information

Graal is falling apart more and more each day. This is purely my opinion, and I'm nothing I'm saying is FACT or anything.. but please keep in mind what I say, as I'm sure some of you will agree with me.

Back in the days before P2P, playing on Graal was fun. The occasional hacker killing everyone was the only bad part. Besides that, guilds actually had a meaning, instead of just having a tag at the end of your name, you would actually be part of the guild, maybe have a guild area on the map, etc. Sparring was great, now it's nothing.. I used to do nothing but spar back before P2P, and I enjoyed every match. It was fun when you could just go to a spar arena somewhere, and line up with others to fight one on one in unofficial matches. Nowadays no one cares to spar, they just care about money, and if there is a spar event, it's for money, and it's always ruined by people shooting fireballs, etc.

Graal2001 was okay at first, but it has seemed to get worse every day, even though so many new things are added. The changing of bomy pets from their original version actually made them worse then before. Right about when golf came out, the minigame revolution began and we ended up with go-kart racing and football, which barely anyone plays anymore. (whatever happened to racing teams and football teams?) The events team has gotten terrible, they say the reason they hold cs and survivor is because that's what everyone asks for.. well no crap, if they haven't played the other events in so long, they wouldn't remember how fun they were.

The staff got worse, and so did the players, the forums turned into a battlefield (and still are) and are no longer enjoyable to me anymore. When hats were released in limited quantities, that started the money era. Now nearly everyone are greedy backstabbers, and no one cares to do anything but make more money and get more items. When objects and gralat became so desirable, "corruption" started to occur more.. most of it just being accusations of others being corrupt.. sometimes players would call other players corrupt just because the other player had a lot of money.

Now I get on each day, and find nothing at all to do. Everyone is too busy making money and scamming/finding ways to cheat to actually RP or just sit around and talk. Mass messages are a joke, they are nothing but filth, arguements, advertisements, and annoying "support my guild" messages. Toalls are just another form of communicating with others for the sheer point of arguing and fighting, and telling everyone else how much of a loser someone else is.

Nearly all of P2P players do nothing but argue and hate others now. No matter what you post on the forums someone tells you to shut up and die. It's ridiculous and definitely not what I thought my money was paying for.

Not to mention G2k2.. oh boy.. I'm sure a lot of you will say I'm wrong here, but I envisioned something a lot different for the next generation of Graal.. it's seriously disappointing in every single aspect. Stefan doesn't seem to really know what he is doing in the game development area. The graphics in 2k2 are good, I admit, but they do not fit well at all with the characters or terrain. Why doesn't Stefan improve Graal as a whole? He might have made the new 3d terrain stuff, but when the hell is he going to make a better way of layering? Why can't he make tiles that lay over the player sprite? It would decrease the need to use npc images, and the environment would be so much more realistic (walking behind trees and buildings without needing npcs for everything)

Then there is server scripting.. I find it nearly impossible to work with, there are so many little things that would improve the system overall. Why not have variables that save to the npc on the level, and can be read clientside AND serverside? Instead of being able to do simple things like having lights come on outside of a house when you turn lights on inside, it takes using workarounds and npc save variables which are troublesome and not documented well.

He still hasn't improved the playerlist by adding new features such as making your own user groups like the buddies group. I admit I like the new features on the level editor, they help a lot, but the new version of graal has a lot of editor glitches and I get headaches when I load my level and it turns into nothing but the left grass tile. Some of these things just really aggravate me as to why Stefan doesn't see these things and fix them. Even the player profile could be made to look so much better with more options and things, and when will Stefan ever make it so we can put php code or something on a webpage and have our stats show up there?

Then there is the level generator.. wouldn't a level generator program be SO MUCH BETTER then drawing your level in a paint program? Just take a look a this example. Why not have it so players can pick a tile (such as tree, dirt, water, grass) and when they use their mouse on the level, it draws the map out dynamically? It would make the worlds much more realistic and have much more detail with less glitches and people wouldn't think level generated worlds are bad anymore.

There are so many things that could be improved it just boggles my mind.. the more I research and learn about game development, the more things I see about Graal I don't like. Whenever I get skilled enough with programming I will be able to put my visions of a good game into light. In my opinion Stefan has bad taste in graphics and style. You think with all the money they pull in, they could hire a good team of people to work for them doing art and levels and things, and stop hiring kids to work for free, making not so great stuff yet Stefan adds it anyway because he doesn't feel like paying people to do better?

Why doesn't Stefan expand the tileset? Why must we use the same tiles for everything? What if we don't want to "addtiledef"? I want new houses, new trees, new bushes and things.. without having to replace other tiles that people also like. If Cyberjouer is such a professional game company, why doesn't Stefan hire more programmers for the actual game? (not npc scripters I mean delphi/c++ programmers)

{edited out because I can't voice my opinion on 2k2 staff}

I just wish Cyberjouer would become better as a company, and actually care about it's customers needs instead of making what THEY think is best.

I think I will be taking a time off from Graal as a player and as staff unless it shapes up and becomes the game that it should be, which is fun and exciting, not the same thing and boring, with jackass players and corrupt staff.

I know some of you could care less about my opinions and that is fine, who am I to talk about game development? I just want to make a career out of it, but I guess since I didn't make Graal, then I'm not as good as Stefan. I feel so limited working for Graal, in level making, in graphics, in scripting.. it's all limiting.

Oh and for the people that reply to this without reading it all.. please continue going to school, as your mind obviously can't handle reading a page of text.



die please

HoudiniMan 01-06-2002 12:00 PM

Re: Re: What has Graal become?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by PsychopathicRyda




die please


No, YOU die.

After jumping in a lake.

Juron Pilo 01-06-2002 04:04 PM

Corrupt-o-meter? Sorry but I don't think you can give a standardized value to all complaints... this totally does not factor in if the complaints relate to eachother alot or how much evidence supports them... additionally I think there should be a SPECIFIC place to turn in such reports BESIDES the board...

Shorty2Dope 01-08-2002 12:05 PM

Re: Re: What has Graal become?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by PsychopathicRyda




die please

rotflmmfkao
heh his first and only post.. and only 2 words.. "Die Please" I like this guy already!

HoudiniMan 01-08-2002 12:47 PM

:rolleyes:

Kasuagi 01-08-2002 02:04 PM

Re: Re: Re: What has Graal become?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by HoudiniMan



No, YOU die.

After jumping in a lake.

it would of been easier for you to ask the poor guy to just go drown

HoudiniMan 01-08-2002 02:39 PM

Re: Re: Re: Re: What has Graal become?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Kasuagi


it would of been easier for you to ask the poor guy to just go drown

I suppose you're right :p

EliteDeath 01-08-2002 03:43 PM

Re: Re: What has Graal become?
 
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Quote:

Originally posted by Stefan
I don't think people were better before p2p,
they just care now more about what they own in the
game. I know there are some things that need to be
made better, that's why we work on it :)
Don't know why you say I have a bad gfx taste
*have added your new trees to the tileset*

Layering: Is very slow on normal gfx cards :(
Supporting more tiles: there are already many
tiles available, adding even more standard tiles
would even take more resources; when doing a house
or overworld you normally don't need ALL tiles
so addtiledef should be all you need, it works well
with the Graal2002 houses where we currently only
use 10% of the tiles space
Playerlist: You wanted to send me a list with things
I should add :/

If you think things are limited then please work
together with us to improve it. Don't know if its good to
say that the players are bad, we make the game for the
players to play it :/


Well Stefan, I'm sorry but I'm with Konidias truly I don't like Koni as a human being and could care less if he even died, however I must say that his ideas are correct and prep2p owned. P2P has really ****ed us all over pretty badly, I can understand YOU need the money to keep the game going, that is why I'm not insulting it but I believe people now have NO respect for anyone back in the prep2p era (hell before ap even) THAT was when I loved Graal so passionately that it was incredible, however when these new people invaded (yes INVADED) Graal they brought the end of an era. I think that you should keep updating Graal but hey why not put up an old client for us oldbies who like to play PREAP PREP2P and PREcorruption. We have supported your game, we pay for the p2p still, don't we have a right to enjoy ourselves?

EliteDeath 01-08-2002 03:46 PM

Don't let your prejudice overrule your judgement.

MrSmiles 01-08-2002 05:50 PM

I Agree
 
Yea I agree, thats why I am making my own server because it will not be about money it will be about roleplaying and having fun. People are getting too caught up in making money and buying hats and other useless items...

well said konidias

-MrSmiles


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