Haven't you said this at least twice a year for the past 4 years?

words words yet no actions.

The mountain isnt as big as you think it is.
As for replying on the forums, maybe if you posted more often and get immersed within the community, being a full part of it, forums and all, maybe you would quickly not become a target in threads. Maybe people might actually start to approve of you. That's my advice to you, not bashing you. The community wants you to be one with them, so you can more understand them.

he had .. like 4 years to overcome the mountain?

Yes, I know, his reasoning is that hes back and ready to go now, and to forget the past because this is Storm 2.0.

i dont think storm 2.0 is better than the 1.0

I have my doubts because of his track record.

I personally can't change where the server is, though I can make a request to Stefan that we get moved (it's then up to him if we actually get moved or not).

It's questionable that moving the server will actually have any benefit though. The server population is approximately split 50/50 between America and Europe, so moving it to one or the other is always going to disadvantage half the player base. Whenever the server has moved in the past we've ended up losing a chunk of players (from the side that becomes disadvantaged), so to me it makes sense to move it as little as possible.

Regarding serverside hit detection being back in events, I gave it the go ahead by way of helping to get the code up and running, but I've made it clear to those involved that having 2 separated systems on the server isn't an ideal situation and will hopefully only be a short term solution. I intend to make a more detailed post on the hit detection situation later today. ^^

Can you get a poll up in the poll house today regarding people's continents? I'd like to see if this is accurate. Part of me realizes that there is a large European playerbase on Classic at current, but at the same time there is also a large American playerbase. The current playerbase doesn't entirely reflect the potential playerbase, but I'd like to see the results anyway based on curiosity.

Why? Does this accomplish anything other than to satisfy your personal interest? If you want to see who plays from where log on and do a poll yourself.

Wow hahaha, you are really not able to identify what a possible poll regarding player location could possibly show, or is this just an excuse to reply to me? :blush:

What your poll will show is that Storm is right and its probably a 50/50 split. No point wasting staff time to verify something that has already been said.

i dont think that true.

Yes, because we all pull figures out of our ass and base decisions upon that. It also takes an excruciating amount of time and effort to go set a poll, in an already existing poll system, to more accurately represent the data you're assuming.

Chances are he isn't pulling anything 'out of his ass'.

The way I see it, the majority of the people in this thread (other than one or two of you) continually try to undermine Storm at every turn. Some of what is said is deserved, but you have Rufus here trying to argue about statistics which are probably valid, for no other reason than to discredit what Storm had to say.

When someone claims a statistic is as good as "pulling [something] out of [someones] ass" it is a metaphor used to convey assumption. "50/50" is hardly an accurate representation any demographic on any game ever -- it's an obvious assumption and many people will feel as though it is inaccurate. "50/50" isn't even a statistic that has been rounded off accurately and in an argument structure, conclusions should not be made entirely from assumptions where statistics can be provided. This is very basic logic here.

I have already stated that my suggestion is out of curiosity (which you've already addressed but are now changing your mind, inconsistencies?) but at the same time it can prove an assumed statement to be a true or false representation. I have simply asked him to do what every other game development team, manager, or even business would do before making decisions based upon geographical locations, and that is research facts. If you believe that research is inappropriate or is a waste of time, you might want to go let the word out to every marketing team in the world, otherwise you're just attempting to argue with me and it is embarrassingly weak.

50/50 playerbase between USA and Europe, or western hemipshere and Eastern hemisphere, seems pretty skewed. I know for a fact in the past year or two, there was a larger percentage of USA players than Europeans. Lately the ratio has fell, partly because of this stupid server move to Europe, causing many players to switch to other servers due to the great disadvantages USA players have now. The only satisfiable way to balance the HD is to replicate default again, and you are very aware of this, but who knows what complaints will arise again with people not being able to hit each other so easily rofl since that will be the same case with default.

As to your previous post, there are very very little times where I have seen you log on Daily. Maybe you've been busy, maybe you haven't. (10 dollars says he gets on his computer at least once a day during leisure time) Your job is not to only oversee what the development and other teams do, you're supposed to be the one proposing ideas to the Dev Team and then allow the Dev Admin to take the project lead from there. You have to oversee Staff (which you normally do), and keep the server updated (which you normally DON'T do) If you don't think you have to give ideas/projects to the dev team or wherever else, then you're pretty dumb as you're the only manager I have seen not do this.

Feel free to reply. This thread was made to get your attention/input.

EDIT: Your ability to script isn't necessary for a Manager, but is generally VERY helpful to the server if a manager themselves can develop. This in particular is why people get mad at you sometimes because you're capable of development yourself.

If you're so big on statistics, could you provide some insight on the demographics for some of the other MMORPGs, because to my knowledge, most (popular) MMORPGs have seperate servers for both Europe and North America (and most don't allow for interaction between the two continents).

As long as I've known Storm (maybe not known, I don't talk to him on a regular basis), he has never once pulled a number out of the air, he has always had some statistic to go on. Maybe it isn't exactly 50/50, but it most likely is something close to. If the average was 80/20, then I could see basis for an arguement.

I was trying to be polite, as to not outright accuse you of attacking Storm, or trying to discredit him. I guess it was a waste of time since I made the accusation a few posts later. >_<

As for the rest, Storm can't really dictate where the server should be moved to. Stefan has control of that, and he moved it for a reason (not sure on his reasoning, but it was most likely cost).

You people make this so confusing, its as easy as everyone witting there name on a piece of paper and putting in the hat. Bell will than randomly pick a name out of the hat and VOILA! Your new manager!

I too think the 50/50 is a bit off. I think maybe 60/40 (in favor of US) is more realistic, though still not super accurate. Would a poll get a more accurate number? Yeah. What would an accurate number result in? Not sure. With both numbers being so close, either location for the server will still negatively effect a good chunk of players.

I doubt storm just said 50/50 for the hell of it; I assume that he said 50/50 because its pretty even between the two sides; I don't think he literally meant it was dead even.

Maybe we can all pitch in and buy a boat to sail out to the middle of the Atlantic and put the server there. Then on the playerlist it'll say: npcserver(On a Boat)

Re: US/UK spilt.

You could take a poll in the poll house, but those numbers might not be accurate. If there was a way to determine region by script maybe. Anyway, I dont see the big deal using the poll house for it if so many players are interested in the statistics. It's not like a new poll has been up for a while, why not use it?

Re: Storm.

Storm, this is a direct and public question to you, and I expect to you answer it, in public, full transparency of the management and all.

My question is simple.

Why do you believe you still deserve your position despite the overwhelming arguments against you holding your position further?

The players generally do not approve of you, and it shows, as you said, when you post here, it turns into a bash storm fest.

You have a very very dodgy track record. For the most part, you are only active to a minimum when you are under pressure. You're under pressure now from the PWA, and I am certain that is the reason for your newfound spark of activity. However, I see that spark dwindling.

-You're online less than you were a week ago.
-You haven't worked on the onslaught event for about the same amount of time, last I checked, it was a cumulative 120 lines of code for the past week, with a lot of spaces and comments included in the line count.(For comparison for non scripters, my card table script is 1.3K lines long with no comments, not the best scripting I know, but thats how much I've put into just the gameplay)
-I asked you several days ago to get the dev team mod rights here so we could more easily document updates on the server, in one locked and constantly updated thread, for all to see, for all updates big and small.
You agreed with my idea, yet, you haven't done what is needed to get it done, and Moonie told me, only you make the call on forum mods here.

In summary, why do you deserve to be classic's manager? Hopefully you can agree with the community here and admit, there are people here now that could dedicate a lot more time and energy into the position, while being a bigger part of that same community than you are now(I really don't consider you to be much of the community, you don't interact with the players very much besides complaints, you really aren't one of the players). Why not do a noble thing, and give your position to someone both more capable, and more popular than yourself? If you really care about classic, that might be the best thing you could do, and maybe the easiest route for you.

Totally going to quote linkin park here.

Here is my plan, I don't know how possible it is but maybe it could work.
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/883/planr.jpg

I think this could make it a bit more fair when we are using serverside hit detections.

Edit: I didn't think the city of Godthåb would be feasible.

Is that an ultimatum? Maybe the start of a DC 4 Manager campaign?

You have a good point though. The people have little faith in stormo's ability to get things changed based on his history. Unless he can show otherwise pretty quickly, DC might have just made a sound suggestion.

LoL @ xaphan.

I was thinking about suggesting iceland/greenland but didn't think that was "middle" enough.

The problem with iceland is that it is in a severe depression right now, and it has many active volcanoes all over. I don't know how either of these factors would effect the placement of a server there; I just wanted to show I've been paying attention in my geography class (working on euro right now).

It's not an ultimatum, its a question.
I honestly want to know why he thinks he is the best choice for manager.

Not entirely relevant, but if you're interested I'm sure you have the ability to Google it, which is basically what you're asking me to do anyway.

Aside from the minimal amount Storm spends on the server, arguments are intended to change the minds of other people. It is pretty evident to nearly everyone in this thread, aside from yourself, that he has posted a questionable representation of the playercount and therein lies a basis for an argument. Your negative connotation of what an argument is may be overshadowing your view of what was actually said, but there is little reason to project it on the forums.

XDDDDDDD

As manager of the server, Storm is very much empowered to reason with Stefan regarding the location of the server. Just because Storm addresses the issue doesn't mean that it will be or can be moved, but when the manager approaches you as a representation for the server, you're more inclined to listen as opposed to some random player who usually has selfish reasoning. Statistics provide a good medium to reason with, and if it turns out that the majority of players on Classic are effected by the server being in Europe and it is in some way providing a detriment to the server, then there is a reason to put it back. If the issue is not addressed then you can expect nothing to happen. Again, very basic logic.

Unfortunately this discussion has already taken place, and in much more detail. It's doubtful that Storm has the respect for the server that he claims, it's more likely all about "power". That's the only thing I can think of that would explain the current situation.

Oh, and for the record, DC does not have the maturity needed to manage a server, regardless of what the role entails. Storm may not be favorable at the moment, but one positive thing I can say about him is that he can actually carry on a conversation without the ridiculous insulting and childishness that DC has repeatedly displayed.

Wow Kat, you couldn't even stop from taking a shot at me in my birthday thread, and you're calling ME insulting, childish, and immature?

I really don't even need to go further with that one. My reputation is known to everyone already, how about you get over your grudge with me.

It's okay. There's a certain irony in someone throwing claims around regarding immaturity, yet never contributing much outside of belittling people and getting on their misinformed soapbox to make the odd post.

The so-called "shots" serve a purpose, and it's not to mindlessly insult you. It's typical that you're not seeing it. If you think disseminating information for a useful purpose is able to be described with any of those adjectives, you're sadly mistaken. Try not taking it personally and look at what's being said, you might learn something. Besides, I'm not the one claiming that I should be a "candidate" for manager.

What reputation would that be? If it doesn't include what I've constantly seen of you on RC, it's clearly inaccurate and misinformed.



You are truly a hypocrite. The posts have a very clear purpose, you're just too blinded by your desire to simply cause problems to see them. Try spending more time understanding what's being said and less time finding things just to aggravate people with.



I'm not going to respond more on these subjects in this thread, as it's going to take away from a more substantial issue. Although, it's not like it'll make any difference anyway.

I'm not even going to argue with you Kat, it's pointless, you live to take shots at people and belittle them, it must give you some sort of good feeling.
Please, lets focus back on the question at hand.

Why does Storm feel he should retain his position?

It is completely relevant, you're arguing that what Storm suggested is "hardly an accurate representation any demographic on any game ever". You must be comparing Graal to other MMORPGs, I am just wondering which ones you're comparing it to.
I am willing to bet that out of the 3 people who responded to me (or "nearly everyone" as you put it) would agree that it is probably a 60/40 split, not something as outlandish as what you're hinting at. A 60/40 split would not be enough to warrant a move, as what Storm and Gladius said.

I'll ignore the rest of your arguement since it hinges on a large portion of what has already been talked about above.

or maybe you could borrow the lonely island's boat

wow dc , im totally going for you.

Can someone explain why the server was moved in the first place?

I theorize that the ratio was more 70:30 on classic (at least full time) at the time around the move. Could be wrong since I don't even remember when it moved. I just remember more americans playing consistently in the past. If this was the case, wouldn't the move had negatively effected the majority? Someone feel free to explain why this move was made.

i am going to have to agree with Kat. as much as i like DC i don't think he has the maturity level required for being manager. he's shown little in his recent history that can attest to that. has anybody even thought of how him and thor would cooperate because i don't know. i do wish it was as easy as placing individual x into the fray but there are tons of unaccounted factors that you need to take into consideration

DC and thor seem to work together/commune quite a bit, especially over WaW.

And what "immature" things has he done?

isnt kat mad because he cant try to become the next manager?

Tis possible.

Regading my comments about a 50/50 split in player demographic, I'll point out the use of the word 'approximately' in my original post. I didn't intend to imply the split is exactly 50/50, rather give the impression that there is no significant bias one way or the other. The main point of the post though was to point out that any change to the server location would bring bad sideffects along with the good ones.

I wasn't aware that being Manager was a popularity contest. I though it was about managing the server and trying to push things fowards. Seriously, given past events I fully expect players to hold me in a negative light. I just accept that as part of the position. It's more important for me to use actions to change Classic for the better right now that to worry about my own reputation.

There are few people on Classic with the mindset or server knowledge to work with player requests and work them into a tangible idea. As I've said before it's easy to take one players complaint and resolve it. being able to take comments from everyone and evaluate them in a non-biased way is what it takes to be a manager, and plenty of people simply cannot do that. The are probably equally as few people with the patience to consider every little change to the server and how it will affect things, trying to balance what players appear to want against what will actually be good for the server.

My level of activity has nothing to do with any threats or pressure I am under. It has more to do with real life issues. You point to a few minor things that apparently show my 'spark' is already dwindling.

• My activity was down on last week. It happens. I can't be expected to increase this every single week. Things will naturally fluctuate depending on various circumstances. I detailed my intended minimum activity earlier in the thread, and this is something I intend to stick to.
• The code base for Onslaught is small and/or has not been modified for a week. Onslaught and the event systems are not the only code I've been working on, nor is my primary job even a development one. If I'm busy with other management tasks, I have to prioritise accordingly. There is work that has been done on the Event systems that has not yet translated into actual code.
• I did not tell Moonie to make you a moderator. You asked me for moderator rights so that you could make a locked thread for releases. Whilst I approve of the idea, giving full blown moderator rights is excessive for such a small task. I'm fairly sure I can't hand out hundreds of moderator positions, so I've been looking at ways to avoid giving moderator positions for this task, and also trying to determine who all should get moderator if this is required.

Seriously, if you think I'm losing my spark, then you are mistaken. I want to see the server back where it belongs, and I'm ready to do what I can to achieve that.