So you want us to pay to help make the game, but still require us to pay to play it.

Most people first played Zodiac so they could kill low levels, then when they do, the low levels want revenge, and proceed to level up high enough to be able to, they then kill more low levels, and the cycle repeats itself.

Completely off-topic. I don't get it.

I'm not saying player's complaints is any excuse for not developing, but it's a good reason for any one who has developed to tell players to **** when they do complain.

Especially when it's those goddamn anti-ideas. "This sucks!" Well, why does it suck?

It's been said before, but when I played GK, I played it because I wanted a break from developing.

People playing GK are not here to develop it. On any other game, the customer is not required to make the game.

That's like a software designer designing a piece of software by himself, then once it gets published, him going to the store and buying a copy to use himself, and him not getting any of the money he spent to buy it.

Googi asked why someone would play zodiac as opposed to gk, that is why I said that.

I meant to change my latest post in here but had to take off to change my cellphone plan.

What I meant to say was that we do pay but as you have noticed the constant complaining really doesn't change anything.

Again sorry but I was in a hurry and couldn't change it.

It should though, shouldn't it?

Oh I agree that it should but thats not the case here.

People play zodiac because they are young, don't want to upgrade to gold again and prefer style and systems Id guess.

I have to agree to the foregoing posts, players pay to play, not to develop gk. Otherwise it should be named: p2d ;)

True but development has become a big part of Graal some people even pay just to develop.

Yup, I pay solely to make things which others pay to play-- yet I get no money?

Anyone see a scam?

I think you should go read my post again, because that's not what I said.

I don't see how it's a scam if you consciously these points. Really, if it's such a obvious problem - and you acknowledge as such - wouldn't that make you very stupid?

Just pointing out that I'm yet to see another game where you pay to make the game.

It's like paying someone to be able to work for them.

Nobody is telling you to develop.

I might just start playing Zodiac when my gk subscription runs out in 20 days, especially so I payed for 30 days of it and it ran out WITH my older subscription.

Well, Ravenblade was, but I think he went back and said he meant to say something else? (havnt read newer posts yet)

And I'm pretty sure Bjorn has said to do so also...

You don't "pay to make the game", you just don't get a free ride for doing so. It's my understanding that the successful playerworlds don't have to pay for their hosting, only the hosted servers (which generally attract zero or virtually zero new players while using up Graal's server resources and bandwidth) have to pay.

I still have my EM prize bag with several prizes in it... lmao...

One thing I always hated about GK is how hard it is to learn how to do everything. If you don't have any talented friends in GK your going to have one hell of a time learning to play.

Say "No."
Talented?

I think zodiac is better because you don't level as fast and you always have something to do (be it levelling or getting enough money to buy that next level weapon/armor or even partying to gain levels).

No.

I was just telling you that your previous statement of "Nobody is telling you to develop" is wrong.

Nowhere did in my post did I say that I cannot figure out how to respond when they're telling us to develop instead of complain.

You can go from level 1 to 60 in weekend. How is that not fast?

On agility and mental?
I don't think you mean physique/wisdom/magic? Unless you have tons of brutals/immenses saved up? If you have friends who are fairly successful in the game (high-leveled, and have game-welath), i suppose it would be easy if they give you equipment + maps.

But in reality, for the average player who probably DOES have a few friends, it would be an accomplishment for them to get to from level 1 to 30 in a weekend.

Now imagine the very new (not just to GK, but to Graal as well) player who has no friends.
Getting to level 10 is their challenge.

Maybe today because most new players are just lazy and not very smart when it comes to leveling up but back when I started playing Graal Kingdoms I got to level 10 in a few hours and it was not very hard to do just took some time.

Well, you have to take this into consideration, for a new player who has nobody helping him/her (and also maybe have no reason to believe he/she needs help)

1. First thing they do is make tools and stuff, and probably start baking bread because they see their food meter is going down. That's already some time wasted with the mining + more
2. Once they finally feel that situation is under control, they'll go craft weapons and armour. This will take up more time with more mining + crafting + traveling between towns (remember, they dont know where everything is... and their speed sucks, and they probably dont realize they're being weighed down by materials, tools, etc... )
3. They feel ready to go kill some monsters...so the leveling begins. With this kind of equipment, they won't make it in the HH at level 1, so they have to go kill shell bomys and other overworld creatures
4. After a while it'll get boring and seem pointless killing overworld creatures... so they'll go to the HH, and likely die a lot
(Edit: and who can forget ship-building? I know that kept me entertained as a newbie... and nowadays you have to buy cannonballs, so that could take up more time. They're not lazy, they just don't know what this game is centered on, and how so many parts of it are unused)


I could go on, but you get the point; newbies can spend lots of time with "pointless" aspects of the game
It's easier if you know someone who plays, even if it's another newbie, as long as he knows a little bit, and has the prayer skill, he can just bless you a bow to govannon, and tell you to go kill baddies in the HH, and T-rexes in the underground-dungeon. And that eliminates steps 1-4.... just with a simple bow

I mean for someone like me who isn't always on the zodiac its a slow level. Where as on gk i could do like 50 DoV's and level 2 or 3 times

I meant on Zodiac. As that's what Raven's post is about.

No ****, genius. You can't level if you're never on it.

too true but i do gain some experience everyday from killing monsters then i head to zone

In my opinion I think you should get experience for any type of job you do, not as much as killing monsters, but a decent amount that makes mining, baking, farming not as one sided, you get more benefits out of doing it.

For instance, the better bread you make, the more exp you will receive and you will also get the bread!

Not all of us have that much time every day to level up without end or point on gk.

That's what happens on GK, to an extent.

It really should be implemented into a more practical way. There's about 5 or 6 subgroups for experience, correct? It should be combined into job experience and fighting experience, or something of the sort.

There's no purpose for all the subgroups because there really isn't any substantial benefits to them.

btw... what does "eastern is in a couple of days" mean??

Easter I believe.

Then he was wrong in the original post; it's not in a "couple of days"

Well, NOW it is in a couple of days (~7-8), but when the post was made, it wasn't true x.x

how bout we just remove gk completely

How about we just remove YOU completely

you said that to me irl.

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