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Googi 11-28-2007 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished
and the ideas to relinquish the dead server

What's your basis for this? Where are these ideas?

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Originally Posted by Mousymee
They'll be the right updates. Tig's a player, like the rest of us, he knows what we want, he'll actually listen to us.

I'm not impressed by the update suggestions coming from the players. Most of them are updates that even they themselves would probably get bored of in under two hours.

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Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished
But Tig is a start in the right direction. Otherwise NOTHING will get done just like NOTHING has been done since 2004 after event island was added during the MarkB Raffle days.

But things were added. Like Battle Island. Which didn't do anything because it was a worthless update. Tell me what's going to be added that isn't going to be a worthless update.

FenixTheBanished 11-28-2007 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi (Post 1360943)
What's your basis for this? Where are these ideas?



I'm not impressed by the update suggestions coming from the players. Most of them are updates that even they themselves would probably get bored of in under two hours.



But things were added. Like Battle Island. Which didn't do anything because it was a worthless update. Tell me what's going to be added that isn't going to be a worthless update.



No, how about you tell us WTF YOURE going to do since apparently you think no one else is capable of doing anything right. How about you just leave this whole thing alone and go wallow in your own negativity because apparently you're doing nothing to solve the problem, only making more. And the whole battle island thing is because guess what NO ONE WILL HELP RAVENBLADE. So. Why don't you go scurry off to your Negativity hole and have fun. Unless you're ready to actually do something about saving a server you SUPPOSEDLY care about so much.

Tigairius 11-28-2007 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi (Post 1360943)
Which didn't do anything because it was a worthless update. Tell me what's going to be added that isn't going to be a worthless update.

While I don't think Battle Island was that nice... I don't think there is such a thing as a worthless update. All updates are an attempt to save the server, and I don't really see you making any of those attempts. Ravenblade was trying, of course he didn't work nearly as hard as he should have on the island... but I am working on it now and building new things on it that are very nice. I think everyone will be pleased with the things on it.

TSAdmin 11-28-2007 08:39 AM

I know I'm not a consistent GK player, but I've seen what Tig's capable of from working with him here and there, and to be honest, he's the 'injection in the arm' GK is obviously in desperate need of.

Googi 11-28-2007 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished (Post 1360945)
No, how about you tell us WTF YOURE going to do since apparently you think no one else is capable of doing anything right. How about you just leave this whole thing alone and go wallow in your own negativity because apparently you're doing nothing to solve the problem, only making more. And the whole battle island thing is because guess what NO ONE WILL HELP RAVENBLADE. So. Why don't you go scurry off to your Negativity hole and have fun. Unless you're ready to actually do something about saving a server you SUPPOSEDLY care about so much.

I'm not doing development work because I don't know what kind of development work will be effective in attracting new players. Instead, I'm trying to find this out.

Despite your accusations of negativity, the greater problem is clearly that I'm actually too positive seeing as I've twice tried to implement programs (FAQ, advertising) that I mistakenly believed would actually accomplish something.

But even if I wasn't doing a thing to help revive the server, it wouldn't make my criticisms any more/less true or false. If my criticisms are true, then they're true regardless of whether or not I'm trying to revive the server. If they're false, then they're false regardless of whether or not I'm trying to revive the server.

Slade0Hiro 11-28-2007 12:55 PM

ok honest to god the game needs new updates.. googi your saying about avetising and trying to get new people to play but its not going to happen with the content we have.. how is the advertisement done?
(go GK gold you can sit in the traid center with everyone else or better yet go to those big storehouses we have called kingdoms!)

the game has too little in it to hook people and once you get to llevel 20 you can kill every monster on the map and get little exp leaving you to haveto do maps what means either you need money so you
(in HH getting a ton of flaming swords and blessing them)(in HH getting Dias and the maps(which are rare)) so after that it gets very repetative.

there needs to be more content that makes the game fun someone posted about a flagship for kingdoms, that would be good and seeing as a trial needs to be a gold member to get to the kingdom or ride boats thats something for them to want to pay for and maybe some other ships could be made. Draxx has a fishing system that would make fishing more then trying to catch the multicoloured fish he showed me it a while ago and he sayed hes told t to the staff as well as other ideas and nothing has happened. also a ton of the spells i learned dont work what can be anoyying especially if a new player comes and buys it becouse plat is hard when you first start.

alchemy was a dissapointment with the gfx just bad recolours we need effort put in aswell te gfx has to be roundabout the same not a solverworria helm looking good while a full helm of might from alchemy looking like it was made in 5 secs.... so those gfx could be improved. and as far as i can see bjorn of stefan dont play much probably becouse when they try to the are bugged half to death. but still they dont really play so they dont know what working or not. anyway

Tig for admin!!!

Sheen_the_mage 11-28-2007 02:15 PM

TIG FOR ADMIN!
The current admin technicly quit.
He is so inactive, I dont even know who it is.
And since Tig has the traits of an admin and has a love for gk, he qualifyes!

A small question for being admin:
What do you think of the hard start begginers have?
They dont have access to any decent items because most of them are from events.
This is a big turn off because any new players will fail at gk because all they can get is crappy gold plate armor and other n00bish things.
More items needs to be obtainable without events.
Especially stuff to increase speed and decrease hunger.
Hunger and Speed are very big issues to new players.
Not to mention the fact they dont know were or how to start.

Slade0Hiro 11-28-2007 02:55 PM

the way it works for new players is fine they can make armor and weapons and work for it being a noob is the funnest part honestly :p lol

decent items are there though its rare but you can find silver mail of berwean in the HH its a silver plate mail but it doesnt slow you down that much.. :) and its not a turn off having to make you items or find them its better then waiting with an inventory full of dias for someone to come on. but yeah more craftable items would be nice for new people like using cloth for making leather.
speed items wouldent do well as speed is ok when you have two rots and an ammy of speed and ogmas orc helm and your running around faster then anyone when you dont have it on it seems really slow. go on another server then come back on after 15 mins and you seem to go faster then you were before lol the speed isnt a big issue with people it never was for me or nubs i talk to.

The food is a bit of a problem if ya dont know but all you need is during the tutoral bit or w.e is something saying that the shell bomys aty the beach are a great source of food which they are when you kill one you have a chance of getting (food+100 food) and also saying about farming potatoes to make steak making the 1 food into 3 steaks.

Darklux 11-28-2007 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigairius (Post 1360921)
Check my ban history.

All good people are globally banned from time to time..
Iam sure I had 2 or 3 global bans :), each for many month to years.

MajinDragon 11-28-2007 06:41 PM

Googi, lets look at it this way. This server is nearly dead, on life support actually, the current admins are doing almost nothing (Atleast i've seen a few updates from Stefan lately). What would it hurt to put Tig in a position where he can actually try to save GK? He's probably the only one of us who can... The way things are going, i'll be leaving after christmas because there really is no point in continuing...

Ravenblade1979 11-28-2007 07:04 PM

Current Admins: Stefan - Manager
Bjorn - Playerworld (I think)
Sam - EM Admin

Tigs pretty passionate about saving GK. I say give him a shot. You have nothing to lose. GK already hit rock bottom and frankly that rock is about to give way.

Reborn_Soul 11-28-2007 07:25 PM

dont really like him as a person but if it means some thing will be done sure i'll vote

dNeonb 11-28-2007 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ziro_of_the_Turks (Post 1360890)
Tigairius still isn't a developer?!?!

Actually he is, and he also works on 2 things. One is almost done I can say.
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Originally Posted by Ziro_of_the_Turks (Post 1360890)
attitude

If you'd remove that it would fit more. In the past there was more than a bit of trouble with him.


But in general, to mention it again.. Everyone can help the server you don't have to be a special person. Create content (No I'm not talking about a few pixles with speed+ stats) level and script wise. For example a quest, personally I work on something quest like myself. "SPOILER: A GraalWorker event which is a bit bigger compared to the ones we had".

FenixTheBanished 11-28-2007 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dNeonb (Post 1361012)
Actually he is, and he also works on 2 things. One is almost done I can say.

If you'd remove that it would fit more. In the past there was more than a bit of trouble with him.


But in general, to mention it again.. Everyone can help the server you don't have to be a special person. Create content (No I'm not talking about a few pixles with speed+ stats) level and script wise. For example a quest, personally I work on something quest like myself. "SPOILER: A GraalWorker event which is a bit bigger compared to the ones we had".


Funny thing is Bjorn, that you consistently deny content updates from everyone. You are lazy or "too busy" with other things.

Also OMG YAY A GRAAL WORKER EVENT?!?!?

How the hell will that help Graal Kingdoms at all? Please tell me how that will keep new players who play and keep old ones who are tired of you being lazy. You can' deny your laziness because all of us have been held back because of YOU. So please do not come and vote "No" for Tig and not even give any reasons. And if you do vote no, how about you come and start paying attention to our server. Thanks.

Darklux 11-28-2007 07:58 PM

Wow quests are being added => Nothing is done about real problems?

Economy needs fixing, people needs things to do, and one quest which entertains for 1-2 hours is a drip on a hot stone.

dNeonb 11-28-2007 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished (Post 1361014)
Funny thing is Bjorn, that you consistently deny content updates from everyone. You are lazy or "too busy" with other things.

Actually I'm not, or are you me and know more than I do? The last request I got was I guess one week ago from Obs. He wanted a bunch of new Dustari levels on the updated which were uploaded to the main server on the same evening.

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Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished (Post 1361014)
Also OMG YAY A GRAAL WORKER EVENT?!?!?

How the hell will that help Graal Kingdoms at all? Please tell me how that will keep new players who play and keep old ones who are tired of you being lazy.

Big events and new things connected with it can't help a server, so? Well, I know it can but I also know what can't. No offense to you personally but people like you who turn down every single thing that comes up and should be realized. All these negative thoughts about it do not help to go a single step forwar, only a few backward. This way nothing is going to happen ever, because there are always people who don't like some things.

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Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished (Post 1361014)
You can' deny your laziness because all of us have been held back because of YOU. So please do not come and vote "No" for Tig and not even give any reasons. And if you do vote no, how about you come and start paying attention to our server.

How do I hold you back? I don't think I ever got something new from you (Besides things like mentioned before, items with super stats) Next time don't be too lazy to actually read all over my post, read everything I've posted because there is an answer to it! This is a great example how you try to turn me down and tell me I would not do something but it is done.
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But in general, to mention it again.. Everyone can help the server you don't have to be a special person.
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Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished (Post 1361014)
Thanks.

Please.

FenixTheBanished 11-28-2007 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dNeonb (Post 1361016)
Actually I'm not, or are you me and know more than I do? The last request I got was I guess one week ago from Obs. He wanted a bunch of new Dustari levels on the updated which were uploaded to the main server on the same evening.


Big events and new things connected with it can't help a server, so? Well, I know it can but I also know what can't. No offense to you personally but people like you who turn down every single thing that comes up and should be realized. All these negative thoughts about it do not help to go a single step forwar, only a few backward. This way nothing is going to happen ever, because there are always people who don't like some things.


How do I hold you back? I don't think I ever got something new from you (Besides things like mentioned before, items with super stats) Next time don't be too lazy to actually read all over my post, read everything I've posted because there is an answer to it! This is a great example how you try to turn me down and tell me I would not do something but it is done.



Please.

Well Bjorn, you know what. lets see Ill give some examples of the MANY people who have wanted things added.

Draxx has been trying for years to get kingdom items for Forest. He also made a new fishing system that more then puts the current one to shame.

Tig has many things already uploaded on debug that you WONT put on the server.

I asked to speak to you about assessing the stats that would go onto Forests "kingdom only" gear and guess what youve said the past 2 months. "i dont have time" or "I have other things to do." *edit* or and I love this one "Its not my fault, its stefans!"

Also another funny thing is is that you think you do things, yet our whole server thinks you're the worst Admin we've had in its history. Damn, even Jagen and Lance did alot better than you and your laziness, even if they were corrupt. They still paid attention to the players. And you speak of "democracy." Okay, I believe that laws are passed with a 2/3 house vote in the united states, am i correct? Lets seee. so 30 votes for YES out of 35 would be lets seee. 6/7 of the votes? So, please do not say anything about Democracy because if you are, hell give him the rights now, he already won the vote. Thanks.

Tigairius 11-28-2007 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished (Post 1361020)
Tig has many things already uploaded on debug that you WONT put on the server.

That is not true, Bjorn has never denied me anything.

Googi 11-28-2007 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished
How the hell will that help Graal Kingdoms at all? Please tell me how that will keep new players who play and keep old ones who are tired of you being lazy. You can' deny your laziness because all of us have been held back because of YOU.

lolwut? I thought you didn't get to make criticisms unless you're actually openly developing things.

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Originally Posted by MajinDragon
Googi, lets look at it this way. This server is nearly dead, on life support actually, the current admins are doing almost nothing (Atleast i've seen a few updates from Stefan lately). What would it hurt to put Tig in a position where he can actually try to save GK? He's probably the only one of us who can... The way things are going, i'll be leaving after christmas because there really is no point in continuing...

I'm not sure why you seem to think Tig being admin means stuff gets uploaded faster. As far as I know, everything (except ultra-small things) needs to be approved by Stefan regardless of the rank of the submitter.

dNeonb 11-28-2007 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished (Post 1361020)
Draxx has been trying for years to get kingdom items for Forest. He also made a new fishing system that more then puts the current one to shame.

This shows that you have no clue on what actually is behind it, no. I'm still waiting got get a decision for the stats of the items.

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Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished (Post 1361020)
Tig has many things already uploaded on debug that you WONT put on the server.

Debug is there to upload things and test them but this does not mean they are automatically transfered. I do not tansfer something I wasn't asked to.
So seriously, what crap are you talking about. There was never a request mat do get specific things uploaded.

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Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished (Post 1361020)
I asked to speak to you about assessing the stats that would go onto Forests "kingdom only" gear and guess what youve said the past 2 months. "i dont have time" or "I have other things to do." *edit* or and I love this one "Its not my fault, its stefans!"

See my first statement.

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Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished (Post 1361020)
Also another funny thing is is that you think you do things, yet our whole server thinks you're the worst Admin we've had in its history. Damn, even Jagen and Lance did alot better than you and your laziness, even if they were corrupt. They still paid attention to the players. And you speak of "democracy." Okay, I believe that laws are passed with a 2/3 house vote in the united states, am i correct? Lets seee. so 30 votes for YES out of 35 would be lets seee. 6/7 of the votes? So, please do not say anything about Democracy because if you are, hell give him the rights now, he already won the vote. Thanks.

I give nothing on how elections work in other coutrys besides Europe. Personally I don't like quite a lot ways it goes in some of them but that's off the point. So please don't try to tell me how things in the usa work.
So you think I pay not attention, I wonder why my pm history is full of answers on your questions and statements haha. Where did I speak of "democracy" in my forum posts? I can't find that.
And this is something again, you expect things from me I can't even do. With a few logical thought you would know that I can't give him a single admin right on GK. You were active in the thread where I mentioned that I don't even have all rights on GK I needed to upload a few things and I had to ask Stefan to get them. If I'd have edit rights, why should I post something like that all over again on forums?

FenixTheBanished 11-28-2007 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigairius (Post 1361023)
That is not true, Bjorn has never denied me anything.

Agreed I mis-stated something, my mistake.


But, many people's work has not been implemented because he won't do anything, and the stuff he did for Obs was done incorrectly and incompletely.

He doesn't have to deny anyone if hes not there to do it, which he never is. So please Bjorn stop acting like you even care about GK and give someone the rights that actually cares about the server and its population and stop being power hungry and insecure. We dont even want him to take your job, we just want him to be there alongside you so that stuff gets done, which is exactly what you dont do.:\

dNeonb 11-28-2007 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished (Post 1361031)
But, many people's work has not been implemented because he won't do anything, and the stuff he did for Obs was done incorrectly and incompletely.

Check it, think about it and show me.

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Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished (Post 1361031)
He doesn't have to deny anyone if hes not there to do it, which he never is. So please Bjorn stop acting like you even care about GK and give someone the rights that actually cares about the server and its population and stop being power hungry and insecure. We dont even want him to take your job, we just want him to be there alongside you so that stuff gets done, which is exactly what you dont do.:\

You don't listen, I have the impression. Again you saod I should give him rights,but read what I just said. I can't do that because I don't even have the rights to do that. Things are not like in the past were 3 people were able to change all that.
I care about the server else I wouldn't be here and sleep. If you don't see me and want something send me a forum pm. If you don't it's not my fault that you want something from me and don't contact me. I answer these quite fast.

FenixTheBanished 11-28-2007 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dNeonb (Post 1361030)
I give nothing on how elections work in other coutrys besides Europe. Personally I don't like quite a lot ways it goes in some of them but that's off the point. So please don't try to tell me how things in the usa work.
So you think I pay not attention, I wonder why my pm history is full of answers on your questions and statements haha. Where did I speak of "democracy" in my forum posts? I can't find that.
And this is something again, you expect things from me I can't even do. With a few logical thought you would know that I can't give him a single admin right on GK. You were active in the thread where I mentioned that I don't even have all rights on GK I needed to upload a few things and I had to ask Stefan to get them. If I'd have edit rights, why should I post something like that all over again on forums?

LOL you deleted it because you dont want to be proven wrong, how nice, well here is the rest of the post.

Theres your evidence, dont play coy with me. And no you dont have the power to give him rights directly, no. But you do have the ability to tell stefan that tig should have rights. Concerning the little part about how you have PM history riddled with answers to my questions, those would be questions that you always deny that you can do anything, they are asking why you dont do anything for the server, which you blame on stefan. They are riddled with you avoiding questions for hours, or just simply logging off when you are presented with credible information saying that you dont do anything.



And to Googi, please unless you have a actual intelligent thought in your brain as to why Tig should not be an admin please speak it, otherwise stop talking about how it wont get uploaded any faster. You want to know why theres nothing being uploaded? Its not because Stefan wont upload it, no. Its because theres been PLENTY given and shown to Bjorn to be uploaded, and guess what he wont tell Stefan about it and he pretends they dont exist.

Googi 11-28-2007 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished (Post 1361039)
And to Googi, please unless you have a actual intelligent thought in your brain as to why Tig should not be an admin please speak it

Because it's not going to accomplish anything.

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Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished (Post 1361039)
Its because theres been PLENTY given and shown to Bjorn to be uploaded, and guess what he wont tell Stefan about it and he pretends they dont exist.

It's not hard, especially for a person with debug, to just submit the update directly to Stefan. But as has been clarified in this thread, it seems there's a lot fewer updates ready for upload than you seem to think.

I have twice submitted levels for my houses to Bjorn and twice had them uploaded pretty quickly.

Sam 11-28-2007 08:59 PM

...because I don't see how he will "save" GK (I don't think it needs to be saved). Why is his server Ol' West still dead? The manager of the Gold Server is Stefan and Unixmad. Björn can give them his opinion about new staff, but at last it's on Stefan to hire Admins.

dNeonb 11-28-2007 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished (Post 1361039)
LOL you deleted it because you dont want to be proven wrong, how nice, well here is the rest of the post.

Theres your evidence, dont play coy with me. And no you dont have the power to give him rights directly, no. But you do have the ability to tell stefan that tig should have rights. Concerning the little part about how you have PM history riddled with answers to my questions, those would be questions that you always deny that you can do anything, they are asking why you dont do anything for the server, which you blame on stefan. They are riddled with you avoiding questions for hours, or just simply logging off when you are presented with credible information saying that you dont do anything.

You can think what I want and build up your own castle of idealism, I don't mind. But I do mind if it starts to denigrate other people, in this case me. This only shows what you try to get your opinion on everyone you pull off private chats and continue them on here by posting the history.
I have the ability to Stefan, but I don't do. Reason is what I posted on here and what I told you on pm and I'm not going to put it here.


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Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished (Post 1361039)
And to Googi, please unless you have a actual intelligent thought in your brain as to why Tig should not be an admin please speak it, otherwise stop talking about how it wont get uploaded any faster. You want to know why theres nothing being uploaded? Its not because Stefan wont upload it, no. Its because theres been PLENTY given and shown to Bjorn to be uploaded, and guess what he wont tell Stefan about it and he pretends they dont exist.

You only talk about items nothing else. There is nothing big about items, sorry. Items do not help the server. Old ones could be used again new levels, quests, towns and things to do are missing.

FenixTheBanished 11-28-2007 09:14 PM

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You only talk about items nothing else. There is nothing big about items, sorry. Items do not help the server. Old ones could be used again new levels, quests, towns and things to do are missing.




Yeah I agree.

Where are they?

Oh wait, you're not making them... I forgot. Why do you have a obstruction against Tig doing it?

dNeonb 11-28-2007 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished (Post 1361045)
Where are they?

Nowhere, because all submitted stuff is basically items and not that. But yea, I'm working on one. I asked Sky to days ago to help with the levels and he can confirm that most of the basicstuff is already done so it will be available for christmas.


About what, I told you that I don't come up with the other things I told you during our pm conversation on GK. So stick with what I said on here and keep in mind what I told you on GK.

Tigairius 11-28-2007 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 1361043)
Why is his server Ol' West still dead?

Ol' West is not dead, Sam. It's under construction. :p

Crono 11-28-2007 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 1361043)
Why is his server Ol' West still dead?

Was it ever alive?

ViperZakuto 11-28-2007 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 1361043)
The manager of the Gold Server is Stefan and Unixmad.

This is @ Tig. I thought you said unixmad has nothing to do with gk?

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Originally Posted by dNeonb (Post 1361044)
You can think what I want and build up your own castle of idealism, I don't mind. But I do mind if it starts to denigrate other people, in this case me. This only shows what you try to get your opinion on everyone you pull off private chats and continue them on here by posting the history.
I have the ability to Stefan, but I don't do. Reason is what I posted on here and what I told you on pm and I'm not going to put it here.


You only talk about items nothing else. There is nothing big about items, sorry. Items do not help the server. Old ones could be used again new levels, quests, towns and things to do are missing.

Why do countless bugs go unfixed? Do you not have the rights to fix these bugs? I posted the stealing bug like 2 years ago... and it still isn't fixed. You do/or did have add rights on debug. When Draxx needed stuff for Forest, Stefan said we could have them, and told him to ask you to give him the rights to the folders... you said no. He had to go back to stefan to get these rights... Now why would you not give draxx stuff for his kingdom that other kingdoms already had?

Sheen_the_mage 11-28-2007 10:32 PM

dNeonb
Your like a king.
However, your a king who sits on a throne all day sleeping while an army is attacking your country.
You sit on your stupid "rank" saying you are important but you are literally all talk and no action for anything that can get more players.
Most of the server kind of wants to replace you anyways so you will kind of be forced out eventually.
Besides.
You may have been deserving of admin back then, but right now, not many people really like you anymore.
More than 3/4 of the votes are against you.
I think I proved my point.
Either you change or quit and give up your rank to someone more deserving such as Tig,or Googi, and maybe even Raven since he is one of very few people who are commited.
Raven made a whole island by himself without help or support.

Tigairius 11-28-2007 10:39 PM

Well, I think it is really unfair to judge Björn because he does do work. He is the one who struggled hour-by-hour adding the amulet image to the ganis, that would have been an annoying job. Now, that's not a very hard job, but it is very tedious and annoying. Björn has been around with us too, guys. I don't think we really need to be arguing with him, but rather sticking to the subject at hand.

dNeonb 11-28-2007 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheen_the_mage (Post 1361058)
More than 3/4 of the votes are against you.

There are no votes against me, because this thread is not against or for me in the first place.
In the secound place this thread and all polls on forums are mainly only used by people who actually use the forum so maybe just 1/4 of the GK players. - Thanks

Sheen_the_mage 11-28-2007 10:50 PM

LOLWUT?
This is starting to turn into a debate.
Since it is a debate, I think it is safe to say we should all share our opinions.
GK needs a democrisy for the direction the server is heading.
The sole core of Graal and games itself is the players.
Do what pleases the PLAYERS and not just yourself or one person.
Think of doing stuff in favor for many.
A complaint I have is small gimmicks get days worked on but what actually pleases the players themselfs are ignored.
The last updates I saw were the amulets being showable and the halloween items.
Sure, they are good pluses, but why is it that they get higher priority, then lets say, making GK friendlier for newer players?
Most people quit gk as soon as they get on because you cant get any items anymore.
It turned into another retarded Maloria.
If you arent an oldbie, you will suck even if you are the most skilled person on the server.
Newer players have no chance.
Everyone is walking around with RoW's,Green Cloaks,Ice Shields,Speed Amulets,Miscltoe amulets, and cowboy hats.
New players can get what?
Nothing.Just **** that will slow them down and barely offer any protection.
They also have nothing to do because they cannot fight off the simplest enemeys or they cannot afford anything.
Rich players take advantage of the fact that they arent obtainable anymore and sell them for "100 diamonds"
100 diamonds...for one item which isnt even ubar powerfull...
WTF!?!?

Try not to take me offensively.This is a debate.
If so you get pissed off I shall only say one quote:
"Well excuuuse me Princess to being a critic."

dNeonb 11-28-2007 10:55 PM

Looking at all the recent changes affecting new players a lot of things changed and are more easy for them. In my opinion, they have lots of more things they are able to do and go on GK.

About the diamonds, I say it is a problem but it's community made. If everyone would say diamonds go for 100 plant and veryone would do it we are getting somewhere. The more and more expensive diamonds get the more worse the econnomy is going to be.

MajinDragon 11-28-2007 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheen_the_mage (Post 1361062)
LOLWUT?
This is starting to turn into a debate.
Since it is a debate, I think it is safe to say we should all share our opinions.
GK needs a democrisy for the direction the server is heading.
The sole core of Graal and games itself is the players.
Do what pleases the PLAYERS and not just yourself or one person.
Think of doing stuff in favor for many.
A complaint I have is small gimmicks get days worked on but what actually pleases the players themselfs are ignored.
The last updates I saw were the amulets being showable and the halloween items.
Sure, they are good pluses, but why is it that they get higher priority, then lets say, making GK friendlier for newer players?
Most people quit gk as soon as they get on because you cant get any items anymore.
It turned into another retarded Maloria.
If you arent an oldbie, you will suck even if you are the most skilled person on the server.
Newer players have no chance.
Everyone is walking around with RoW's,Green Cloaks,Ice Shields,Speed Amulets,Miscltoe amulets, and cowboy hats.
New players can get what?
Nothing.Just **** that will slow them down and barely offer any protection.
They also have nothing to do because they cannot fight off the simplest enemeys or they cannot afford anything.
Rich players take advantage of the fact that they arent obtainable anymore and sell them for "100 diamonds"
100 diamonds...for one item which isnt even ubar powerfull...
WTF!?!?

Wow you are retarded, ok lets start.

Everyone would like a democrisy on all online games, however that would only lead to total disaster...

Just because a game is dependant on players, does not mean it should bend over backwards for each individual, you seriously don't know what needs to be done.

If all requests were answered, i assure you, Graal wouldn't be here.
No one is saying they are of higher priority, the issue of attracting new players is a delicate one, and cannot be tackled as swiftly as creating holiday items.

People who quit because they cannot get items immediately shouldn't be playing imo. I started with nothing, and i'm not an oldbie, haven't played for longer than 3+/- years, but i have fairly decent items, without any dodgey business.

Lets not bring the great Maloria into this, it had it's own problems, which are actually being rectified now.

You'll suck because you haven't learned 2play...

I can assure you everyone is NOT walking around with RoW's. The other items maybie, because they were massed released or are craftable (have been for a long time), so you shouldn't be putting RoW in the same category as those common items...

GK is trying to become more newb friendly, but it is not completely impossible for a newb to become slightly better off, they simply need a little bit of inicietive and will power to get themselves out of poverty. Hell, or you need to do is ask a nice person in HH to give you a flamesword, get some weak armor, kill bomy's, get piety, pray to gov, bless ur wep, kill rexe's - sorted.

"Rich players take advantage of the fact that they arent obtainable anymore and sell them for "100 diamonds"
100 diamonds...for one item which isnt even ubar powerfull..." The cherry on the top, wow. Ok firstly, no one 'takes advantage', values are decided by numerous factors, usually supply n demand, crafting cost (if it can be crafted), value of crafting input items (if it can be crafted), rarity, collectable value and usefulness of item. Lets use RoS for example, it's worth 100diamonds - not overpriced. RoS is spawned quite rarely in shops for a reasonable amount of platinum coins. It's very useful to an aspiring young warrior or someone who just wants reasonably balanced stats. It's not incredibly rare and considered quite common. I think it's safe to say that supply meets demand quite well, one hoping to buy a RoS can hope to find one within minutes - a week (at max). It's not collectable or craftable. After considering these factors and also taking individual player limits/budgets into consideration, the price of 100dias seems very reasonable and i think i've only heard several people complain about 100diamond items. Btw, if you're talking about +12 armor items, it's because the enchanting costs are 60diamonds atleast, so the end value depends on the original item value/usefulness.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dNeonb (Post 1361064)
Looking at all the recent changes affecting new players a lot of things changed and are more easy for them. In my opinion, they have lots of more things they are able to do and go on GK.

About the diamonds, I say it is a problem but it's community made. If everyone would say diamonds go for 100 plant and veryone would do it we are getting somewhere. The more and more expensive diamonds get the more worse the econnomy is going to be.

Diamonds are not the problem, it's platinum coins that are. Look at plat values of certain rares in stores, it's ludicrous actually. The weight of 20-200k plat is significantly higher than it's diamond equivilent ( 40 - 400 diamonds ) so diamonds are favoured by new players and old.

If there was a better coin system, and perhaps more valuable coins as suggested many times, we would see the economy look a little more stable.

Sheen_the_mage 11-28-2007 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MajinDragon (Post 1361071)
Wow you are retarded, ok lets start.

Everyone would like a democrisy on all online games, however that would only lead to total disaster...

Just because a game is dependant on players, does not mean it should bend over backwards for each individual, you seriously don't know what needs to be done.

If all requests were answered, i assure you, Graal wouldn't be here.
No one is saying they are of higher priority, the issue of attracting new players is a delicate one, and cannot be tackled as swiftly as creating holiday items.

People who quit because they cannot get items immediately shouldn't be playing imo. I started with nothing, and i'm not an oldbie, haven't played for longer than 3+/- years, but i have fairly decent items, without any dodgey business.

Lets not bring the great Maloria into this, it had it's own problems, which are actually being rectified now.

You'll suck because you haven't learned 2play...

I can assure you everyone is NOT walking around with RoW's. The other items maybie, because they were massed released or are craftable (have been for a long time), so you shouldn't be putting RoW in the same category as those common items...

GK is trying to become more newb friendly, but it is not completely impossible for a newb to become slightly better off, they simply need a little bit of inicietive and will power to get themselves out of poverty. Hell, or you need to do is ask a nice person in HH to give you a flamesword, get some weak armor, kill bomy's, get piety, pray to gov, bless ur wep, kill rexe's - sorted.

"Rich players take advantage of the fact that they arent obtainable anymore and sell them for "100 diamonds"
100 diamonds...for one item which isnt even ubar powerfull..." The cherry on the top, wow. Ok firstly, no one 'takes advantage', values are decided by numerous factors, usually supply n demand, crafting cost (if it can be crafted), value of crafting input items (if it can be crafted), rarity, collectable value and usefulness of item. Lets use RoS for example, it's worth 100diamonds - not overpriced. RoS is spawned quite rarely in shops for a reasonable amount of platinum coins. It's very useful to an aspiring young warrior or someone who just wants reasonably balanced stats. It's not incredibly rare and considered quite common. I think it's safe to say that supply meets demand quite well, one hoping to buy a RoS can hope to find one within minutes - a week (at max). It's not collectable or craftable. After considering these factors and also taking individual player limits/budgets into consideration, the price of 100dias seems very reasonable and i think i've only heard several people complain about 100diamond items. Btw, if you're talking about +12 armor items, it's because the enchanting costs are 60diamonds atleast, so the end value depends on the original item value/usefulness.



Diamonds are not the problem, it's platinum coins that are. Look at plat values of certain rares in stores, it's ludicrous actually. The weight of 20-200k plat is significantly higher than it's diamond equivilent ( 40 - 400 diamonds ) so diamonds are favoured by new players and old.

If there was a better coin system, and perhaps more valuable coins as suggested many times, we would see the economy look a little more stable.

People dont quit because they cannot get an item immediatly.They quit because they are limited to evil bomy helmet(Which isnt that bad in some cases),gold plate armor(this armor slows you down like HELL),Flaming sword(Which is not favored by many), and spiked shield.

And about RoW, if you think I am talking about EVERY player then you yourself are not making sense.I am not complaining about RoW because I dont have one.Infact, I have good items believe it or not.However, such items would not be obtainable if I started only recently.The problem is that stuff is impossible to get.
The 100 Dia's part I mentioned, you took way too litteral.
And I am not complaining about +12 armor or RoS being 100 dias.
However, I am complaining that certain weapons are 100 dias.
Such examples are Inferno Dagger and (In the past and soon futur) Ice Dagger.
It is true those items are good for killing people who have +12 armor since they can strike through defences, but they are not so good that you need to save up for such a long period of time
Such items should be obtainable by any player if they work for it rather then being older.I am not saying to just hand them out, but make them actually obtainable by making them a rare drop or making them craftable with the materials are hard to get.

FenixTheBanished 11-29-2007 12:14 AM

Please, I am all for debating and arguing, but lets please keep it on subject.


We need a new admin who cares about our server and hell, the servers already on it death bed, Give Tig a chance to improve it! If you dont like his work or his attitude then just fire him if you don't like it! But give him and us a chance to make our server worth the 24$ a year!

Sheen_the_mage 11-29-2007 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished (Post 1361092)
Please, I am all for debating and arguing, but lets please keep it on subject.


We need a new admin who cares about our server and hell, the servers already on it death bed, Give Tig a chance to improve it! If you dont like his work or his attitude then just fire him if you don't like it! But give him and us a chance to make our server worth the 24$ a year!

Durrr 49$ you mean?
Most people take the triple pack =P
I have a feeling though that you guys as the staff will be payed if the fantasy comes true.
The fantasy were we get advirtising,playercount skyrockets,Graal owns runescape.

edit:
I would like to apologize if I was being too harsh in my recent posts


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