True, the trial system sucks.

And for the most part, they STILL can't spar (And in some cases participate in EVENTS) because we fear observer mode.

worst part of all is that we cant help as staff any server but zone <3

I think Trials don't deserve to be staff you don't pay too bad. If you want staff buy a p2p otherwise you are taking jobs that paying players should have.

I think Stefan and Unix are gonna realize everything when graal is really gonna be dead :P

Well I doubt that will happen. Seriously there are about 5-10 new paying players per month and you might lose 1 or 2 per month so... that wont happen for a bit.

What I honestly think they need to do is stop pentalizing people on Gold servers that have classic accounts by making them use small screen/observer mode and just give them less HP and experience gain as well as restricting the "best items" from them (or something like that.) That way Gold Members would have an advantage over non-gold and non-gold would ***** and probally EVENTUALLY buy gold.

I mean, obviously the disadvantages for not having gold have to be bad enough to where they feel they need gold, but not so horrible where it's impossible to play with it and have fun.

On a side note....
The small screen is crap and I question if some trials even realize that it's not always like that even with classic gold.

The small screen was removed.

Graal never had any future since 2001-2002, with playercount decreasing, it was everyday like a new player saved it by upgrading

Look, the even had to make bonus that are so expensive for a game (and so pointless tbh)
Lot of people bought them, but, just tell me, what's the next method to save graal ?

Graal is unique enough this way, just copy games like Maplestory and it'll be fine
It appear as getting way less money, but finaly not

Look how rich Nexon is now <_< Why not Cyberjoueurs?

lol, you think Nexon only does Maplestory? They have several games besides Maplestory ;o

Old trial system AND account name system for the ****ing win.

Because both new systems are hated by absolutely everyone and are constantly said to be a huge waste of time.

But hey, keep failing in your failboat, I'm sure it'll all work out.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...s/Failboat.jpg

cant agree more, graal##### is awful:( i can distinguish players :/

Make kingdoms and zone free to play all week and make the other servers free to play on the weekends. Subscribers can play at the current rate and have access to all servers 24/7. Revert back to the one time fees for p2p accounts. Back when graal went p2p a lot of people left because buying things over the internet was viewed as risky business. Now, it is common place.

i agree with pooper200000 100%

Yeah, really. Not sure why they ever started this whole "classic gold"
I am one who buys accounts yearly and so do my friends. I have around 8, Meph has around 17, Diaz has around 15 or so. I mean, obivously people were buying new accounts, why charge even more for these poor new players and old players just wanting a new account?

I refuse to buy anymore accoutns till classic is lifetime free again and I can actually name my damn account.

But anywho, as for Kingdoms and Zone, they seriously need to be p2p and not gold for a little while or maybe just give gold players extra little tad bits other than pissing off classic players with observer mode. I know the disadvantage has to be rgeat enough to where they want to buy gold, but seriously....all observer mode does is piss players off.

Just to say.. I dont know if they want people to buy gold with this system, But why should they? They can save everything.. The only thing they cant is playing non-stop, They just have observermode, and at some worlds they just can do less things.. But i dont get why they should buy gold to be able to join a gang, or have more classes somewhere.... The old system was better i think. I would be happier when i buy gold so i can safe items and that i dont lose everything when i log off then when i just can join a gang, have more classes etc.

The Graal account system would be a lot better if after choosing a community name, the account should have NO relation what-so-ever to the Graal account that was given to them. This means that their account is made into a normal account like most players have. player.account should return the community name and NOT my Graal account. Forget about player.communityname.

Nobody thought this through. The convenience of not having to think up an account name on the spot while creating one nowhere near compares to the inconvenience that people have to go through dealing with these stupid accounts.

I love how new accounts have Graal##### b/c that divides the old original players from the new noobie ones o.ol

-backhand-
That's all I'll say to your comment :D.



But yeah, can I get a show of hands of the people that had to rescript certain things so that way they would work 100% of the time with this epic failure of the new community name system?

And no, I don't care that we have findplayerbycommunityname or whatever the hell its called to help with the transition, it is absolutely ridiculous, noone approves of this trial system from any logical standpoint.

unixmad doesn't care, he will keep doing this his way even if it's for the worse.

;o

Wasn't that hard to make it fit the new community name system..

just switch findplayer() with findplayerbycommunityname() and it's all fixed

There seems to be (or was at least) a bug with some people not having a community name, thus making findplayerbycommunityname() return NULL.

Yeah, if you use findplayerbycommunityname() on a community name that doesn't exist

No. Seriously, I debugged this on Zodiac - around 5% of all accounts that logged on had a blank player.communityname. This was a while ago though, Stefan might have fixed it since I posted about it.

Well considering the fact that we're constantly creating the popular parts of Graal for free 24/7, 365 days a year, it would be in his best interest to give us an good hard listen, right?

Power to the unpaid developers.

I mean I don't know about you, but just how successful have the gold servers been in comparison to classic servers? Oh that's right... classic is owning. I mean, am I crazy or does Zodiac,Unholy Nation,Era,and sometimes some of the less popular (Sorry N-Pulse :( ), seem to have more than double the Zone and Graal Kingdoms combined population at any given time?

he should.
I'm probably never going to buy a new account since I have to have a dumb Graal account, and I'm sure many others feel this way too.

random bump :)

Look... whatever we do or say, unixmad won't change this stupid system. He doesn't really care. I'm telling you he'll only realize everything when graal is going to be 100% dead. Complaining is useless cause he won't understand. Graal is on it's way to its death and no matter how much we complain it won't help. I just realised this now cause we haven't even had a single reply from stefan or unixmad xD!

Oh and for the developers they should ATLEAST let them have a free account. Sucks for them... they pay to work (which doesn't pay) and also pay to play.

PLAYERS = PAY TO PLAY (P2P)
DEVELOPERS = PAY TO WORK (P2W) & PAY TO PLAY (P2P)

True, because apparently we manage to do something right even though most of us don't have fancy degrees. :|

Just a quick question, are any of the suggestions and complaints that are posted in these forums taken to consideration to the people who control Graal or do they believe that they really know what's best and overlook what the players have to say? Graal's population has gradually been declining and I have yet to see any improvements. All I've seen so far was more bullcrap to pay for.

Are they trying to kill Graal?

they just don't care.
I'm sure unixmad's only intentions are to milk as much money out of this game as he can until it dies out.

You mean like how Hollywood does with movies like Saw and Chuckie?

To the above posters, I only have one thing to say...



WAAAAAAA, WAAAAAAAAAAA, CRY CRY, WAAAAAAAAA, WAAAAAAAAAAAA, CRY CRY.


You guys sure are full of it!

Maybe if you'd stop letting mommy and daddy pay for your subscription you'd know how much bullsh*t these prices are and why a lot of people are quitting/complaining.

Ziro, I don't think a more perfect example of complete incompetence has ever been demonstrated in so few words.

And that's all I'm going to say.

I've payed my own things for my own hard earned money since I was 15, which makes it 6 years now.

The prices are **** cheap comparing to some other games, and I'm not complaining about the content I get (although I only Dev and play on Kingdoms occasionally).

Ok but why the hell would anyone want to have to pay ANYTHING for a dead 2D game when you could easily play for a free MMO that has 100x more players than Graal? That's the point I'm trying to bring. On top of that, why are we paying to make servers on a game that's keeping it alive entirely? If you're satisfied with anything about how the payment system of Graal then you sir are retarded.

Far from everyone feels this way, obviously, since Graal is still making money. And yes, it is somewhat dead to what it used to be, but it goes up and down like it always have. Just since they changed the whole account system, there's been a **** load of Graal#### registered, meaning there's definitely new players coming.


You're looking at it from the wrong perspective. No one is forcing you to develop your own server, if you want to make your own playerworld you have to rent space for a server - exactly like webhosts etc.

And don't bring up the "but I need gold to work on UC servers!!" bullcrap, because CJ changed that a while back. If you pay for Graal, you get access to everything, whether you want it or not. That alone is an awesome change, sure it makes the game a little bit more expensive, but it unites the subscriptions into a single one which makes it more efficient in the long run.

If you were to combine the prices of the previous P2P, Zone Gold, Kingdoms Gold, and Playerworlds Gold - it'd be a lot more expensive then the current subscription.

Whatever you say.

Or just a lot of people getting banned and getting their parents to buy them a new one. Seriously, how long do you think the actual new players stay on Graal before deleting it and sueing the owners for waste 10 minutes of their lives?



Um, the fact that you have to pay for a Develoment licence AND the tools for some dead beat game is STUPID. If anything, they should be paying the members who got their servers to classic considering that those are the servers that are keeping Graal alive.

I'm pretty sure if Zodiac, Era, or even Unholy Nation were to shut down and eventually become their own game, Graal would completely be dead. Seriously, $100 to buy the license, then another $30 for the tools. The most action you'll ever see on your server is 40 people.

"Awesome! I'm paying $130 to entertain a decaying rate of 40 people! Totally worth the money guys!"

People are better off buying RPG Maker and sending their game to the public. There are games on miniclip.com that have more players. :whatever:

If you want to continue throwing money at a dead game, go for it.

Plus $30 for tools? You do realize that your account doesn't need a Godl subscription to logon your own server I hope.


And, by all means, you're free to leave the game.

I actually am on the verge of leaving seeing that most of the common complaints/suggestions aren't being noticed by the people who run the game. I'm just trying to not do what majority of Graal's players did and quit.

Tell me this sir, if Graal is such a good bargain and worth paying for (lol), why are there so many people quitting?