Oh ya, what's going to happen to our current subscriptions? Those who are classic and such?

I am VIP/Gold. >:(

Wait, I didnt even think about that. If the whole team has to buy developer subscriptions I will just quit Graal completely lol.

Must say how I like Stefan and Darlene dodging that subscription for Playerworlds question, Darlene even editing it out of her quote of Curt's post. Thumbs up on the crowd control guys! :D

That's 1 Developer down the Graal Drain :(

Elk is very impressed! =)
You worked hard on it, I can tell

And the best thing is the Developer subscription...I'll get sure to buy that! =)!

Just to let ya know, if I will quit, the others behind me will probably too. Well atleast I think that Angelu would.

I prefer buying vip for 6 months and just going around to alot of playerworlds and offering help. It's cheap (i'm poor) and effective. I'm not sure how it's possible due to the dev packs now.

Wait that means no more Lifetime Classic?!?

People that have bought the existing subscriptions will keep their subscriptions of course (Gold = zone + kingdoms + playerworlds etc.).
The playerworld renting has been made for being simplier, you don't need to create an account on graal.net, create a playerworld project, choose a payment plan etc., now just buy a developer pack and create a developer guild.

Answer me questions! :/

So we still keep our lifetime access to Classic tab playerworlds?

Don't be bashing these new additions, I happen to love each and every single one.

As far as the website goes, it's nice to see a change, although I'll agree it isn't the best layout in the world, but how many people go to the Graal Website regularly, anyways? I like the new features, and it's nice to have the minigames up on the website rather than the client so I can play with my friends who don't play Graal.

The dockable playerlist and the start bar makes me all kinds of wet. It's such a nice, convenient feature, I absolutely love it.

Video capture has it's obvious upsides, I can't wait to use it.

And, although Graal didn't take up much space and memory before, it's nice that it's now taking up even less.

I'm curious about some of the new script features, most notably the function objects and client-side script classes.

The new subscription choices are very handy for those who don't want to pay to use all of the servers. And I'm sure the old subscription choices are still available too, so don't get all up in arms about it. The developer subscription is just what I need.

I don't get why this shop thing has to be exclusive to Zone, it should be available to be made on other servers as well, but oh well. It's still cool, I guess.

The new playerworld renting makes me so happy. And if you don't want to buy developer tools (Hopefully that isn't the case) just use the ones you have on your computer now! I doubt there will be any new versions of the developer tools, since it wasn't mentioned, so you might as well!

Also, the flying technology better not just be for Zone and Graal Kingdoms. ****ING...BETTER...NOT. I, and many others, will be VERY PISSED. But, I can't wait for it, either way. The new G3D seems to be coming about. It's honestly not the best 3D I've seen. Okay, for this day and age it's absolute ****, but bearable anyways.

I think the problem is though, is keeping together 5 people who have have paid to get a server. And Googi makes a point. A lot of people were paying to get these servers up on their own, failing, but still, paying. Now you're kind of making sure no one can really take a chance at that.

finally, if you met the reccomended requirements you still couldn't do much :(

Just some idea that came up in my mind. Actually, if the playerworlds cannot disable or reskin that start bar, give players the option to hide it. I seriously have to say that the graphics of that one totally suck and wont work with most servers :[

I'm sure there will be updates and such that will make new releases far desirable than the outdated ones on our computers. Also, before you say if they're that desirable, we should pay for it... I don't think we should pay to help Graal out.

Uh, I can't respond to something I don't know.

So wouldn't it be more effective to say that instead of having people post the question repeatedly hoping for an answer? I mean I'm just sayin'. :noob:

Quoting around the question makes you out to dodging the question. Quoting it and saying "I don't know." lets you off the hook.

What ever happen to that Graal Scratch Ticket? :O, where we can win a free Subscription and such.

So...for every server you'd like to help out you have to buy a dev pack? :cry:

Oh, I wasn't gonna say that. I'm not paying for new tools, and I don't know of too many people who will. But since when has Stefan ever made new versions of the staff tools? When was the last time (other than RC2) that he has?

I'll just keep my current ones, thanks.

Look, everything I say is an opinion just like everyone else. I have had nothing to do with the design of this. I am not a Graal admin, and I have no inside information. I am the same as anyone else, so expecting me to answer a question such as the one you are refering to is kind of redundant.
I am just as confused on some things as the rest of you, but am waiting patiently for the answers.

I got on 2K2 and people thought my endorsement of video capture somehow amounted to me endorsing every single change, so I'll clarify by saying what I think about all the changes.

New website - ugly, but I hardly ever use the website so I don't really care. Even if the forums got infected by it, I'd just have to make a Stylish script to restore the old forum layout (for me).

Dockable Playerlist and other PM changes - Minor but cool.

Video capture - As I said before, very useful. The best of all the planned features.

Direct Login - I already login directly by using graal:// URLs in my bookmarks, so login changes don't effect me much.

GUI changes - As I said before I skip the login menu. From the pictures the changed GUI doesn't look much better or worse than the previous GUI.

Flash - Don't care. Maybe I'll be made to care when it actually happens.

Script Improvements - Isn't this just GS2?

Subscription splitting - Good for me, but as I said before, probably a bad business move. I'll only be buying a GK gold subscription and thus will probably be sending less money to Graal than I was before, and it will be the same for a lot of other people. I don't think there are many people who don't upgrade because of it being "too expensive".

Selling Zone items for real money (which is really what the gelat system amounts to) - You might as well be selling the players rope to hang themselves with. Anybody who makes use of this system is pretty much volunteering themselves to be hated. Will probably make money but not much. I'm not sure whether it would make up for the (probably very low, as in single digits) number of people who would quit because of it.

Graal skills - We already have this, and nobody uses it. That's not going to change.

New Playerworlds Hosting - I can't help but feel this is going to be a vastly inferior money-maker compared to the current system

I agree 99.9% with you

About the pw hosting, depends on who has to buy a developer subscription. If every developer of a certain pw has to get one, you wont see me here again :]

Excuse me, but did you read through the newsletter?

Of course it will, but for me It's like I will be leaving also :(, but I don't know yet. It's like a 50/50 right now.

What the hell is up with these people? I'm usually pleased with new things coming around, but this is not good. Perhaps you guys don't play other games, or maybe you're all stuck in 1991, but take a look at it for a minute.

The new website depicts Graal as a game for pre-school children. The new logo makes me believe that Graal may be turning away from what it actually is; a "fantasy" online roleplaying game. The new logo is nothing compared to this current one or even better, the one before that. It doesn't seem right. The website may have had the intention of turning it more user-friendly, "simplier and cleaner" but it just appears like a dumbed down, childish fan site, it's awful.

The new Gui, especially that start bar which now appears everywhere (so it appears) is extremely ugly, it looks like something from Mario and completely doesn't fit with Graal (or at least what the players expect to be Graal).

I'm pleased to hear about the guest mode, but I really dislike the fact Graal is integrated into the web browser. Personally when I look for games, I always check to see if it is browser based or client based, it's a little less cheap. I don't understand however, the 'Playerworlds Gold Subscription', and what are "window size limitations"?

I hope to dear god that you are not suggesting that people pay to play on Classic servers, especially since there is a screenshot of Classic in that section. When people bought their accounts it states "lifetime" and sounds pretty much forever to me.

Graal is currently not worth paying for at all, even with these additions it will still be not worth paying for. The game completely lacks in actual game play and servers with quality. The quality development comes from the players, who don't seem to get anything out of it, now you're suggesting to pay to develop, and pay to learn how to develop? Graal was never like this.

I think the focus needs to be taken off these new features, because if you take Konidias for example, they're nice but not required for the standard that Graal needs to raise up to (see: Bomy Island). I was thinking yesterday how Graal could possibly advertise, but then I thought, "What the hell would they advertise?". These additions are not the direction the game needs to be taken in, at all. If you look at Korean games, they are very successful. With a bit of money and decent help this would probably take off. Most of the players are only here for the other players, it IS like everyone says, an interactive chat room, and it appears things are getting worse. I think Graal 5 is going to degrade Graal, rather then improve it.

Apologies if my post is all over the place, I'm just finding it hard to make it so it doesn't need moderating >_<

So far it seems my developing days are over :x I really don't want to fork out more money to help people...

Nobody has said you have to pay for GraalEditor, and even if you do, you still have the old editor.

Why are we complaining? It's not bad for us. lol

I guess my English is not as good as I thought x-x How can you mistunderstand "GraalOnline provides a wide range of developer tools". We are not going to steal the gani editor or whatever from your computer. Soon the new things will be released, I think most of you will like it more then :)

Wow! I just noticed that the current website is actually updated! It has actual news!...though just the news from the wiki/graal login.....but still! >_<

Well, I'll just have to wait and right now I'm just feeling bummed out on Graal right now. When It comes out I'll see how my future plans to Play/Dev on Graal again.

Personally, I don't think people will and I hope to God I'm wrong. What happens if they don't though?

Tools = Toolz = Apps = Appz = Warez = ...wait, no. What I wanted to say -> Tools equal executable programs. Answer some of the other questions please, I just hate waiting :/

If we want more people to come to Graal, a website is important don't you think so?

Stefan there isn't anything wrong with your english it's just that we're easily confused, we're not very bright people. When is it coming out?

Ya, you won't steal the stuff from our computer, but are we going to have to pay to get newer versions?