See, you do have the power to improve the server. Even if it's such a tiny thing...

;)

People tend to think he's lazy because so little is done.

Like I said there are little things I do on myself even without asking because something like this doesn't really hurt someone. But like you can see even such small updates are not liked by people. (Post #39)

They are expecting something bigger and with this being a gold server there should be more released. I think that everyone who wants to do something should do it and email it to bjorn so he can take a look at it and add it.

You can make it have a snowball effect. I mean, you start with a little thing then start working on bigger and bigger things. Do something to save kingdoms, :(

Ya, it's a bit sad that the server people are mainly paying for, besides Zone, gets less updates than any of the classic servers. Especially when there's so much potential for a server like Kingdoms.

I clearly understand that Twinny, but if he's going to come around insulting the intelligence, work ethic and ability of those talented individuals that DO work on kingdoms, then he should at least make sure he has the skills to back up that mouth.

All I was pointing out.

When your shot you can still live if someone takes the bullet out. Otherwise your life would be a lot shorter. Anyone want to imply what that means and draw my reasoning from that?

Stefan was shot with an ice-bullet and it dissolved in his body, and he only has 5 days to live because there was no way to take the bullet out?

Isn't that what the suggestion thread is for? I mean it is not really going to make a difference unless our suggestions are added.

Yeah.. Lack of updates is actually a bullet and it is in Kingdoms, if we were to get rid of the bullet (lack of updates) and add stuff Kingdoms won't die like Bomy Moon..

Graal2001 didn't die due to lack of updates... in fact, it died due to the complete opposite.

Examples:
- Custom Bodies
- Custom Hearts
- Desutruction of Kingdoms

Oh yeah.. Thats right, I remember Infamy didn't like the new heart system and lots of people disliked it too.

Add more events, stop making stupid items that imbalance the already screwed economy, and most of all; listen to the damn players for a change. Updates bring people back, and that's true with any online game.

I WAS working until my VIP expired and for some reason, my classic account won't work on Debug. Seems they don't want help to me :O

Sure classic account does not work on Debug, Debug is a goldserver.

So many suggestions have been added there Oda....probably even before you started this game. We always have the ppl who like and dislike and in the end it doesn't get added anyways.


Just plain and simple...work on stuff and submit it to Bjorn. Seems to be the only way to save the server.

You tried again? Normally Kingdoms Debug is enabled for classic staff accounts now.

Oh, you fixed it!
Okay then! Time to go back to work :)

Oh NOW it is...but when I had debug and my p2p ran out they dumped me. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Times ever changing :)

Never in my favor though. :p

It happens.

That means that you can come back now.

We were promised so many things and none of them came true.
and the ones that did weren't so great.
Where is this revolutionary flying system hmm?
Instead of working on something as great and beneficial to all servers like so you work on Graal 3D which is a waste of time considering there are bigger and better games inclusing world of warcraft, pirate king online and so many other big titles. Graal 3D does not stand a chance.

Want to know why us players travelled to graal? Because it was a different game from the others and a change in gaming experience and now you are trying to phase this out and compete with a bigger and better game genre which frankly you do not have the experience or funding to manage.
If you staff guys seriously think graal is capable of such a change then good luck but monthly subscriptions ain't gonna get you far if you neglect everything and work on a one project a time scedule. Where are the things such as pay item shops? downloadable expansion packs and even subscription priviledges? Graal is dead on its arse and unless an experienced determined and motivated person comes along it will remain that way.

Seriously guys we only want something new. Personally at the moment i have been playing a new game and you know what they did? they released an expansion pack for free which over 50+ bug fixes and over 100 new npc and 45 new set items! and lots of new levels and it is free to play. and they are scedules to release a new expansion pack only jsut a month after it was released. So tell me graal...what exactly are you doing for us?

Lets make a little game of our own about this.
Answer this guys..
1) What are you doing for us?
2) Why should we actually stay?
3) How far along are you with your latest projects?

If you can answer these questions and not cacoon us in a web of lies as usual then i suppose i may just stick around a little longer.
I mean i know having your game go downhill on you must be bad for you staff as well but lets face it. Us subscribers are the reason you have a game at all and we demand a lot more on offer.

In the meantime i'm going back to pirate king online. So uhm i suppose those questions will be completed by hmm next year?

I am afraid I agree with Myth-Simba.
I loved graal Kingdoms when it was full of players who RPed, PKed and did dungeons together. Now I never saw more then 20 persons online In the few weeks that I've been playing again. Even Zodiac has more players and then i dont coutn the trials.
Zone does it right. A decent playerbase and a fun concept. Graal Kingdoms stayed the same since I started playing with my first p2p account and the only reason I am still playing is because it is the only game in which I can express my creativity (Thank god Valikorlia still lives) and make my own world.

I don't know why you're so hostile - you always have been. It really irritates me.


You don't know what they're working on. How do you know they're not working on updates for the game engine as a whole?

Also, as a side not - I imagine Graal 3D will be customizable in much of the same fashion as Graal 2D is... player content, etc.


Graal is only different because of it's rudimentary graphics style, and player generated content - what makes this different from games like Second Life is that, instead of making for the individual, the game has been made for the masses.

How old are you? Not old enough to have a business degree, or a education in economy.

So, really, where do you get off saying this trash? >_<


I'm getting the sneaking suspicion you're inadvertently trying to plug yourself here.

I'm sure that if Stefan made a list of the bugs he fixes on Graal, and new items released, it would be... a lot more than that lol


1) Providing the content you have previously enjoyed for others to enjoy.
2) Anticipation of new content, or to create new content.
3) They won't even tell me :(

This has to be quoted separately simply for how absurd it is.

I am not suggesting it, but does it not make sense to you to stop subscribing (if you're having so much trouble here) - and perhaps subscribe later on when new stuff is made?


Uhh... Unixmad has had new staff in the office for the past while, a whole team, working on Graal 3D and other new content. >_<

kk ttyl. :p

The problem, bluntly put, is that the competition has been removed from Graal Kingdoms. When Sam was doing a lot of work with Kingdoms he saw that players treated each other poorly (which isn't unusual, they're mostly preteens struggling with their own sense of identity) and prioritized on this - in doing so he attempted to set the gap between "low class" and "high class" players by injecting new, fairly potent, items that everyone could readily obtain.

In doing so, all he effectively did was REMOVE the middle class and create low and high class individuals. There were less high class individuals, very dramatically so - but they were also much more rich than before.

In doing this he made it MUCH harder for the average user to become high class - which essentially was one of the leading interests on the server (a sort of era system - the king pin).

The real tragedy, in my opinion, isn't that the competition is gone - but that now, many unskilled individuals, who previously wouldn't have had the chance, are in positions of power they're not equipped to handle.

Zone is mostly fun because it's *actual* skill based; you have to know the normal and expected tactics of your enemy and outwit them very rapidly. What makes it a competition is your drive to have a high bounty while maintaining a decent kill:death ratio. Perhaps there's not as much clout as on kingdoms, but it definitely has it's own hierarchy.

Basically Stephen I think Myth wants Stefan to answer his post. And frankly I tend to agree with him. Since I started here I have seen the sharp decline in users playing it. Why? LACK OF UPDATES. That is the biggest thing that is plaguing this server. Instead of them working on Graal 3D why don't they just concentrate on releasing more stuff and fixing bugs and that for Graal Kingdoms.

People like GK and frankly I think they would rather see more updates for it then for Graal 3D that no one even has access to playing currently. When I tried it I wasn't impresssed. Its not good enough to compete with other 3D games. Just suck it up and fix bugs/give updates/new levels/new quests for GK and work on Graal 3D as a side project.

Because now I feel after reading your post that all they are about is working on Graal 3D. Sad isn't it.

They're creating a new platform, with many advances in the game engine which will make potential for amazing new content.

The keyword is potential.

That was back in 2005.

That and Sam doesn't like me, he doesn't WANT me on debug. :p

We know that the player count of Graal Kingdoms is low and Graal needs more players in general. We were working on several things to improve Graal and plan to release and change things soon.
About free upgrades on other games: those upgrades contain bug fixes (which you get for free on Graal as well) and new maps and items where 90% of them cost money, they are not different to us and want to make money.

I suggest you release some updates that will bring the players back or offer some type of incentive to new players. Like the christmas package was a big hit. Bjorn has a new waterglass level I made...no idea if its ever going to be used. Glad to hear your planning on releasing new stuff soon.

How soon.. By the end of May, or something?

I don't know what you are talking about but I worked on Graal3D before and I loved it. I can hardly wait for it. Then again, I seem to be very opposite to the general Graalian's liking for Graal as I like complex neat things rather then simple classic servers (thus I always struggle to find other developers like me).

You don't speak for the Graal population as a whole and certainly don't speak for me.

1) Who is "you"?
2) I think you should direct that question towards the people that still do stay. Why do they stay? I don't think anyone really has an answer to it... People (like my self) just feel stuck to this game.

Bye. You really don't need to be here if you are going to be so cynical.

I was just talking about Graal Kingdoms and I think Myth Simba was talking the same thing. We have seen a steady decline in people who are playing. I logged on and there was only 5 people on the whole server...will probably hit 20 by the time I get off. Thats pretty sad.

The trials would like to advance further but once you tell them they have to pay for gold/vip usually they can't or don't have the money.

Also just a thought. Can you make it clear when they are choosing the VIP package that its not gold time. I know you said that it can be played once a week but I have had a few people talking to me who just got it and I had to tell them to buy gold time if they wanted to keep their items etc.

Maybe what you should think of doing is that if its a new account that signed up that the subscribe page has the classic, gold and gold/vip packages..that way they won't buy the wrong one....and after they upgrade the normal page comes up.

VIP accounts still keep their items; they can only see them during weekends though.

And you hit the main problem. They want to play with their items during the week. I had to guess yesterday and tell a player who got VIP to get gold and he would get his items again.