Okay listen buddy.

1. You never go on SL and you are not a part of SL and you don't know if it's active or not.

2. I am also a manager of SL and I have access to debug, private forums and have continually complained to staff about certain situations related to SL. In the PWAs eyes they should know who is manager and this already shows how unprofessional acts are taken in certain conditions like this.

3. I just noticed it got removed because I got back from vacation. Meaning I had no internet access to come here and see someone complain and BOOM removed. How ironic?

The last part of your post was completely an opinion and exaggeration on every single part.

To say SL is dead is completely wrong. Loakey puts in so much time into the server (especially lately). Also for 're-releasing' the last time we were released to the public was in 2004... that was 2 years ago. After that so many servers have be re-released and gets an whopping 20 players. I don't know why you even tried to say SL just keeps releasing itself over and over and over because that is completely false.

The point here is I was not contacted at all and this act was obviously pulled because of your stupid thread pointing your finger at "inactive" playerworlds. Not only was your post just a simple opinion and pointing out the obvious and somehow twisting it to make it seem like all SL staff do is sit on their ass and watch our beautiful 0 playercount remain but it was completely unresearched.

Why all of a sudden do globals feel compelled to remove SL? Was it truly inspired by this thread?

Now SL is 'hidden'... what the hell does that mean? Since the PWA rules don't state what exactly happens when a playerworld is removed because of a player complaining on the GCC and is put on hidden... does it mean we have to resubmit? With that said, the current SL already meets the requirements for the classic tab and was successfully put on the list. In no way did SLs staff completely abandon the server... So what do we have to do now?

We sit and wait... resubmit... and it gets put up? We don't know what we have to do anymore. Might as well make a rule that states "If your playerworld meets the requirements but people complain on the GCC about it being inactive even though staff are still developing... then you will be removed."

Thanks to the brilliant staff who was influenced to do this and not taking anything into consideration but to simply seem like a meer hero. Even if it was Stefan, this was not a good time for this.

How about more people put more time into the GOLD tab and the falling current overall player count of graal.

SL was not hurting anything, we had our plans.

So tell me, when was the last time SL had a stable playerbase above 5?

Keyword stable.

You don't have to be a part of the community to hit f8 and see no one on the server.

You just keep poopin up these awesome comments, don't you?

And I see the server to be pretty un-organised, anyway.
I also don't understand why a new gmap is made one after the other all the time. And the server was promised classic about a year ago. Still not listed, even though it's actually a Classic server? o.o

Ya dat sux :[

Because the current one was limiting, we basically just slapped the old one on a NEW one simply so we could have more water space for boats and ****. That and more towns, which couldn't be crammed in the now old one.

James, I dont get why you are getting mad about being removed from the Classic list or being "hidden". I dont think anyone was trying to say the server was inactive as in no one was working on it at all. But it's the simple fact that you guys dont get any players and havn't been getting players for awhile now, so what is the purpose of you being in the Classic list if no one plays the server?

**** you steal graphics :(

Hey Crono, shush.

Go play around with your asus :'[

LAWL,when it was re-re-opend silly ;)

Why isnt Zodiac on the list honestly its a Hosted server and its got more people then some classic servers.

yes i was the only manager listed . hrr4 quit a few week's prior due to constent ip problem's and has as far as i know given up on graal . james was not listed as i removed him a few day's ago for inactivity . ive been trying to get ahold of him by mean's of the forum's , aim and e-mail , but never did get any word back . the other day it was brought to my attention he was on vacation . we are attempting to not only rebuild the server in level's , script's , images and gani's but finish it . but this will take time .

it was hoped to have the server 100% complete and then re-release it will minium staff needed to keep it operational . such as et's , pr's , a manager . but it's still to earlie to tell if we will succed , but dont misunderstand . we havent been sitting on rc tinkering with our personal toy's . we have been working and we have been making progress but no one will see it as it is all being kept on a locked down server and only the people working on it know what it is . and they wont tell anyone what they are doing .

much of the time word get's out that something big is in the work's every graalian comes running and asking as many staff to get what info they can , which slow's down development on the project . but for what ever reason we are keeping everything on a need to know basis . once we start getting most of it done we may release a big chunk of it and start releaseing date's as to when to expect the next big thing , or we may not . i personally would prefer to go with release date's but it would also be nice to just release all of it and try to put and keep sl on the top . but we all know player count fluxuates on certain day's and certain hour's but i gota get back to work since i got off work earlie .

Did you even read why he is mad? He was not contacted and the playerworld was removed due to one simple thread in GCC. And yes look back to what people kept saying...

If you just read the main part of the topic as James states it was opinion based. Cronos even included "according to me" and in no way even knew further details towards the playerworlds. This is Crono's opinion... and why should a simple players opinion reflect on getting the playerworld removed.

Your post was just claiming that SL was inactive. You even included "HIGHLY" to exaggerate your 'point'. Yet you don't play SL at all and don't know what is going on. As for bringing it to the attention of the PWA... what do they do all day? Sit around Graal and not notice the 0 playercount on a regular bases? It's been KNOWN FOR A WHILE by the PWA of the current situation of SL. As for Vulcan (previously guild admin if not still), he is the newest PWA therefor doesn't know all the information about SL. James is more concerned on how acts were taken in a unprofessional way and even stated here...

He says right there he agrees with a lot of what you guys said. But he is pissed on not being contacted properly and how the issue was taken care of.

As James said, he understands why it was removed... but why now? Why not a month ago? 3 months ago? Why ironically when someone claims a server is inactive without further proof it was removed WITHIN A DAY. Why didn't the PWA take the approach to see what the playerworld was currently doing. What if SL was planning on releasing the new content in a few days? There are so many questions that WERENT asked and someone just took the initiative to just removing it to make a few people happy.

Once again you are being irrelevant and just riding Crono's ass for points. F8 does not show what the current community is doing to SL. F8 just shows a simple number. F8 doesn't show why the playerworld has such a low playercount. You can claim it to be the players are not interested, but after having globals come on and screw with your NPC Server as a joke and resetting the whole economy script and getting away with it (2 globals did this) it's not just because players werent interested. You are simply a player who has eyes and just notices that number associated on the F8 menu, in no way does that have anything to do with what James was saying.

I think it's pretty obvious why the managers of SL would be frustrated with what just happened. I'm just curious if PWA will even talk to the managers about anything else related to this and answer James' questions if they have to resubmit and what exactly do they have to do different if they meet all requirements.

Before you reply actually read what people are saying rather than claiming 'THEY WERE HIGHLY INACTIVE!@#!@"

You might want to do the same as the PWA has stated why James wasn't contacted and Loakey even said he had him removed at the time because he didn't know he was on vacation. I thought I read that Loakey was contacted but if not he really should have been before it was made private. Still better private than shut down as it's not like it can't come back and when it does maybe people will be like oh look shaded legends is back let's go see what cool new changes they've made. As opposed to seeing it online everday empty and not bothering to check to see if anything has changed.
I personally agree with SL being made private. However in doing this I think they should give some of the active servers such as Zodiac a shot at being on the classic list. Graal is a business and while I can understand people being attached to the server SL in it's current form isn't making Cyberjouers money. As for why not 3 months ago or longer that's a good question as this one has been a long time comming. Personally I don't think SL can recover with out some kind of massive over haul similar to how 2k1 can't recover with out some kind of massive over haul. I hope it does though as I always thought it had a pretty kick ass story line.
One thing about SL as a suggestion was it always had a kick ass story line but not much direction. I often times would find myself wondering what do I do now and where do I go? The story line would often times just seem to end abruptly. Maybe some kind of continuing direction so that players aren't left wondering where do I go now after completeling different stages of quests and what not.

Aww hrr4 has given up on Graal? I'll miss that guy :(

You're right. A PWA talked with Loakey because James was no longer listed as Manager, and they both came into agreement that it would be best if SL was placed on the invisible list while they worked on their new gmap.

This decision was not randomly made because of this thread. Loakey had been contacted and had reached an agreement with a PWA before SL was taken off of the list. Same thing happened with Bomy Lands.

Personally, I don't really care if a server stays or goes on the list. It's not really harming anybody to stay on, but it might be best for an inactive server to be taken off the list so that when re-released, it will come back stronger.

Just wondering, who was contacted regarding Bomy Lands?

To say this decision was not made by this thread is kind of... well off. Ironically half of the mentioned playerworlds were contacted about this and removed within that day.

If Loakey would of said no to the agreement would it still be on the classic list?

WARNING OBVIOUS OPINION ANSWER BELOW

Answer: No

That's pure speculation and there is no way to know for certain unless Loakey said he had no choice or the PWA say that he didn't.
Just because you answer your own question with what you think the answer would have been doesn't make it true.

Ok I have included an edit just since people really need that extra *opinion* based answer. I highly doubt SL would still be up if he did not agree. I mean Loakey and James are both complaining right now on the forum so obviously something has happened and people are missing a big huge issue.

I guess I didn't explain myself clearly. I meant that this decision was not made by Crono. It was made by a member of PWA with Konidias (Bomy Lands) and a member of PWA with Loakey (SL). Sorry for the confusion.
Wrong answer.

We wanted to do what was best for this server. If Loakey wanted SL to stay on the Classic tab, he would have gotten his wish. I was told that SL was being re-made, and so Loakey was perfectly fine with SL being moved to the invisible list, or "underconstruction" list.

I think Loakey is upset with people insulting SL in this thread, not with the decision. He was a part of that decision because he is the manager of the server.

I will say this one more time. The PWA did contact both managers of the two playerworlds that were removed. The PWA were unaware that James was still manager based on the fact that he was no longer in server options, so they felt that Loakey had the power to make the decision.

If Loakey wishes for SL to go back on the serverlist, he can contact one of the PWA and talk it out with them.

I'm not a simple player, I'm Crono the mighty. I have enough say to shutdown playerworlds now bow down son.

Why later?

Proof? Wtf, just look at it's playerbase population, no one gives a **** if you're developing 1000 things, it's a classic server with 0 players. What the hell?


You're just jealous no one listens to you. Stop crying, please.

I said -stable-.

God that was so incredibly lame.

There's no rule that says someone has to be contacted before a playerworld is taken off the list. You act like Bomy Lands, or Shaded Legend for that matter, never thought 'hey, no one plays this server, we might eventually get shut down.'

Removing both playerworlds from the list was a smart thing.

Like most of your crying.

That wasn't even clever.

Neither are you. :D

ok there is aparentlly still alot of confusion about this . i came on aol one afternoon to check some e-mail and what not with what little time i had . i was imediatlly imed about a global there to remove the server . so i had to switch computer's and get on rc . i dont know what everone think's but the pwa's dont show up for idle conversation . they come for a reason , we discussed seval issue's about the server and discussed our plan's .

by the end of the conversation we were both at agreement that the best thing was to take sl off classic untill it was repaired . james was not contacted as i removed him a day or two prior to this due to not being able to contact him . let me make this clear also . when contego left , hrr4 was head manager . there were of course three of us listed as management due to lack of time by everyone and so much to be done we figured we could do more with more people on various project's .

when contego left i convinced james to come back at the cost of matrix's involvement (i fired matrix to get james back for the non-thinker's) . when week's started passing and i never heard from james . no return e-mail , forum pm , or any other way . so i removed him and start pushing forward without any help from the old sl staff as they couldnt even give me idea's or old plan's that wernt done . im really surprised to hear that there is one person that actually likes the story line . most player's didnt .

as for the private part , no one mind's that sl was put back in dev stage . it's really the best thing for it , i believe that if this last release dont do it sl may be lost for good , however were not done yet . we are not mad about the server being moved , what bother's us is how much people talk about the problem's in sl and does nothing to help resolve them . anyone can sit back and complain but hardlly anyone is willing to step up and try their best to help us fix them .

but also player's need to think about how they present this as it can also infureate the staff if not brought in the right format . i am one of the few sl staff that is really open minded enought to listen to player's opion's and take them seriouslly . but they cant be brought to my attention as hey this work's for this server everyone loves it , do it now . i was talking on our forum's about this the other day . you can only bring up the playercount so many times before it get's old .

we are perfectlly aware of the player count as it has not changed since benpokes time . actually it went down and stayed down ever since then . but in order to keep player's on the server as much as possable we need alot of thing's for them to do , and untill we get alot rebuilt , or the whole server completed this is not gona happen . just please be calm and pacient while we try to get this stuff to you the player's . we will most likelly make a big announcement via graalonline about when the big day will be . but untill then were up to our neck's in alot of stuff that need's to be redone .

Enlighten me, Oh great Buddah. Why does it have such a low playercount, if the reason is not because it utterly blows?

Anywho, about Delteria.

Most of the time it sits there collecting dust, with a wooping playercount of 0-5. Sometimes it may get a touch from god and boost up to 10-15 but thats about it. It's developing as a dev server anyway.

i didnt read the whole thread but, shaded legend should be put under new management, i think it could be a good server if they had active staff updating it, but every time i have gone on there was never a single staff on.

Shaded Legend is active, and it is a good server. You don't see any staff on because they're working on a Dev Server.

I can see that.

I don't understand how you guys think making a new overworld will get players or something... You have to have some sort of god damn content.

u r so coll n hardkore, cxan i b urf rend plx

Why isnt Babylon public? :\

Because much like the playerworlds outlined in this thread.
The playerwould would peak because it would be new to some people.

then it would be dead

Aside from its usual 40 online staff that is.

Ty.

Because it isn't ready.

Yeah.

Yeah x 2.

Shows how much you know. :rolleyes:

Be patient.

Don't worry, Crono, some past Managers of Babylon are jealous they don't have the world now. Also jealous they couldn't have much success as others. Heh.

Spoilers: You backed out of my other thread because you know everything I said is right. You run and hide behind this horrible act of yours so that people will think you are some kind of great Manager. Sorry, your decision making skills as well as your PR and People skills have driven me to the conclusion that you dont know what you are talking about.

Sorry If i ruined a great story for anyone by revealing the end.

Protip: You cant have it both ways.

How can the playerworld be dead but also active? (Which is what I gathered from your post). I have had more time and effort put into babylon then both of you two put togather. I am not even entirely mad at Crono because he is cool, but Malinko you continue to be entirely disrespectful to everyone who ever did anything for that server.

Crono I have been on babylon a very long time, by 40 online staff I mean 20 Staff members using 20 RC's. I dont know how long youve been around, but for Eye, Kish, and Alexander. That was not uncommon for the playercount to be 40+ and they only be Staff Members and Their RCs, I see nothing different in the way that things may happen in the future.

Please elaborate.

Possibly so, I do remember you were manager for a while when that playerhouse town was north east of the map. You wore a blue and white outfit I think?

It's dead in the fact that it's dev, but will be active once in the classic tab. That's how I see it anyway. :(

<3 <3 <3

I thought you meant on today's babylon. Hehe. It's more like 15 RC's thanks to someone's LOL FAQS SHUOLD HAVE RCS. Don't worry, I DC everyone.

I have been around since LH managed the launch of babylon, but I was never SO active until early 2003. Then I went off and came back in I think 2004. I can't remember clearly, babylon has gone through too many changes. Manager wise, OW wise, and such.