Ok, to clarify. I talked to Unixmad, and this is the conclusion:

Linking your sig to an outside source (such as imageshack) is ok, as long as it is not clickable. If it is clickable, it must be to a Graal related site.

Graal related sites are allowed, such as sites for Playerworlds, they will be moderated for innapropriate content.

The no links rule does apply to the NGRT also, but will be allowed when the NGRT is moved to the private forums.

I will not be going back and removing links that were posted before this rule went in effect, but all moderators should enforce this rule from now on.

All links that are in signatures that are not Graal related should be removed, or will be removed.

Graal related as in the ones he listed or anything related to Graal? Who's to judge if it's related to Graal? How will it be judged?

See above.

I cant wait for that to happen, because if it sucks it gives me a reason to complain.

So much for advertising servers.

Moonie, do you even agree with this rule? Don't you have any opinions on it? If so do you even dare say it to unixmad?

Graal related sites are allowed as long as they are appropriate. Such as people who have links to their own PW websites and/or forums.
I think as long as it is realting to Graal, and is appropriate content, then it is fine. Just no outside links to other material.

See above^

The rule doesn't bother me at all, since I know when the new NGRT is finished, that outside links will be allowed there.
If I disagreed with it, I would tell Unixmad that I disagreed with it, yes, but these are his forums, and he can run them as he likes, as I have said many times.

In other words, she doesn't like it, but knows it will get better, and is willing to enforce it.
However, how long does it take to create a new forum? I know it takes me about 5 mins with multi forums. Who knows, maybe vbulitin make you work on hundreds of lines of code. I know graal is currently having trouble, and the forums aren't the highest priority, but really, how long could it take?

I guess 2 weeks.

No. :mad:
In other words, these are NOT my forums, and I am perfectly willing to abide by the rules set forth by the owners. If I did NOT wish to abide by these rules, I would simply NOT post or moderate.
Do not put words in my mouth that I did not say.
I am perfectly capable of saying what I mean, and I did so....

So, you're effectively cutting a large portion of the Graal forum community out, and telling it to go elsewhere. I, for one, only typically come back here to look at the NGRT, and the Graal2001 forums from time to time.

Suffice to say, without the NGRT here, this is going to become a very, very, very quiet place.

Oh, those were the days...

*EDIT due to 8-hour limit*

I have read up on it, so don't chide me please. The NGRT is going to be relocated at an unspecified later date, and until then, we're to be under the jurisdiction of these new rules which effectively stunt any sort of in-depth discussion in the NGRT. As well, we don't know if, or when, the new, separate NGRT is going to be opened -- and I'm sorry, but knowing Graal's current track record, it's going to be a while before it materializes.

That aside, you still didn't say anything to dissuade the notion of an effectively dead (or very lacking) Graal main forums without the NGRT.

If you had read up on this issue, the NGRT is still going to be here, with more relaxed rules. Read the threads/posts.

These rules STINK!

Mouseover linking is fine then?

So wait, you say we have to sign up for these new NGRT forums? So why exactly would we do that when we could all just go to some user made forums with even fewer rules and actually talk about anything and everything there?

This is basically telling NGRT people to go somewhere else, but also providing them with a moderated place to do it.... Kind of seems like parents pushing their kid out when they turn 18 but helping to pay for their crappy apartment.

No. NO URL'S OTHER THAN GRAAL RELATED!

My goodness, I will change it in the rules to URL's, instead of links. Geeze

*shrugs* To each his own.
I don't see where this is telling members to go somewhere else. The sign up process for the new NGRT is to allow mature teenagers to have discussions that are not currently allowed on the main forums. If members are found to not be mature enough to handle the NGRT discussions, they can be removed.
I see this to be a good thing, as to allow what members have been asking for, but not on the main forums.

Segregation in a community is rarely a good thing. You have to be 13 to sign up for these forums yet you have to be 14 to sign up for this new NGRT forum? What does one year matter in terms of maturity? I just think the whole idea is silly.

I have a feeling that the new NGRT will be just as policed as the old one, except without the newer strict rules. I think the comic googi made said it best. We're basically getting the same thing we had before all of this started, except now it appears like it's some sort of gift to us.

Think what you like. I guess everyone will just have to wait and see.
I don't feel like arguing about something that hasn't even happened yet, nor do I feel like arguing about assumptions of how things are going to be.

It doesn't matter what we do, not everyone will not like it, but Unixmad will do what he feels is best for Graal and the forums.

BTW, just because a member is 13 or 14, does not mean they are mature enough to have discussions about certain issues. That is why certain discussions are not allowed on the main forum, and that is the purpose of the new NGRT. If a member is found to not be mature enough, they can simply be removed from that private forum.

Then don't argue about it? I didn't tell you to not agree with me. I have the right to express my concern about it just like you have the right to object.

It seems like you're on auto-defense mode where you are stepping up and handling any negative comments about the forums like it's your responsibility, when it isn't.

I'm just wondering why an entirely new forum needs to be made. This forum is perfectly capable of restricting users based on an individual need. (private forums, etc) All the supermod/admin has to do is remove that particular user's access to NGRT.

The description could just read "Non-graal related discussion for ages 14 and up". I dunno... it just seems like a big ordeal over something that could be achieved so easily like I stated above.

Why does that even have to be done? with the Age thing.When you sign up for graal Doesn't it specify what age you have to be in order to sign up for graal (which i bileve is 14?).

..

Only a very small segment of persons who post on this forum are actually inbetween 13 and 14, so what's that actual point? Other than restricting the new board from a very small minority, I don't see the actual point.

If people feel the content within the NRGT board is inappropriate, then why don't they just avoid it like every other normal person would do?

I don't care, we got a new forum, lets have fun :D

So hey on the topic of rules can I get a real explination on the MMORPG rule? All I get is "YOU DON'T ADVERTISE OTHER PEOPLE'S PRODUCTS" and nothing else.

a) Discussing a product doesn't instantly make someone want to buy it. If I say Pepsi then you won't instantly go out and buy a Pepsi (cue about 30 KOMEDY KINGS saying "boy i'm thirsty i'm gonna go get a pepsi")
b) Even if it is an advertisement, products aren't mutually exclusive. I'm subscribed to WoW right now, and yet here I am on the forums. Although I'm not subscribed to Graal right this second, but this brings me to...
c) Instead of trying (and quite pointlessly i might add, more on that later) to censor everyone, why not just make your product better? There's a lot of problems that need fixing that you guys seem to ignore.
d) You're not the only entity on the internet. If people want to find out about something, they can go and find it out. People who want to play World of Warcraft will play it because it's a pretty obvious thing to find out (cue more KOMEDY KINGS saying "i didn't know WoW exists.") If anything, allowing MMO discussion here will help Graal-based guilds on other games grow and maybe save the sort of dead community.

But we can't have logic here because that's silly.

in before delete

This question is one only Unixmad can answer.

Not really. It's quite simple. It would be bad business to allow even the slightest advertisement of competing products on here, a public showcase which anybody can see.

Even this could be classed as advertisement and potential customer loss:

That has been explained over and over, no one accepts that explination, hence why I said only Unixmad can answer that question. Maybe the answer will be accepted if it came from him (doubt it).

It's common sense to assume so. Why else would he make such a rule? No one thinks deeper into the real point.

Thanks for reading my post.