Here's the deal:

If you voluntarily make a graphic for a server, you're making it for the server. You're not making it for yourself and you shouldn't expect to get a copy of whatever item it becomes. If the server manager decides to award you a copy of whatever item it becomes, that's his or her prerogative. However, if they choose not to, you have no room to selfishly complain. It's that simple.

i still say sayain should get them, or at least test them to see if he likes them. honestly what es doing could be in this context

sayain makes the cure for cancer (play along) and he gives it to scientists for proof, it works, and is a marvelous formula, BUT the scientists took the formula without paying sayain anything, or even letting him keep a sample, for himself.

last time i checked, this is either sayains REALLY REALLY nice, or thievery

aye, its unfair to sayain, its a game for christ sakes.

ya he really deserves them

Why would he need to "test them to see if he likes them"?

That aside, you can test such things without Stefan's help, you know. Open up the gani editor and take a look around if you don't believe me.

False analogy. Sayian isn't giving Stefan these graphics "for proof" of anything. He is willingly transferring ownership of these graphics to GraalOnline.

Also, stop hating on scientists.

Considering this is all done willingly, the second option is out of the question...?

Read -> Comprehend -> Consider posting.

You're stuck on either step one or two, but you skipped all the way to three. Work on that.

Why?

C'mon, put some content into your posts.

he deserves them because he made them, got cant he have some appreciation for his work, its not like hes bein forced to make gfxes, and without saying i bet wed all be shooting with bananas and pears jesus.

Right, nobody is forcing him to make GFX, he volunteered. Normally when you volunteer for something you don't demand payment.

And how do you plan to support this hypothesis?

maybe you should take all sayains gfxes out and see
incuding the ppls he trained like jesses

I'm assuming you're trying to support your hypothesis that if Sayain didn't make graphics we would all be shooting with bananas and pears... I can assure you that when I remove the Zone Graphics that Sayian made from my levels/images folder and play Zone, my guns do not turn into various kinds of fruit.

You lose.

What does this have to do with anything?

without Sayian's gfx there would be like -8 guns (i think) there would be no event(s) or event items, Zone would go back to being boring. The speeders (on zone wars) would not be there, reapers, red pistoles, blue pistoles, etc. (he posted all that he's done earlier) he really works hard, but he doesn't get anything from it, but Vulcan gets them when he gani's them, so why shouldn't Sayian get them if he made them?
Sayian helped jesse learn how to gfx better

I'm really getting tired of repeating myself.

I'm pretty sure I already said that Stefan could find qualified artists to make new graphics for him if need be... I'll agree, all of the stuff that Sayian made wouldn't be on Zone though, there would be different things instead. I'm convinced that Stefan wouldn't go this long without adding new things.

He's not being forced, or even asked to work really hard. He volunteered to. Demanding compensation after the fact is rude and selfish.


Are you positive that Vulcan is getting these items because he ganied them? Or is it because he's staff and has the ability to add them to himself? He has the ability to give out items to other players as events prizes, doesn't he? Or am I mistaken?

Either way, I'll repeat myself again, perhaps it will sink in the third or fourth time: I don't agree with Vulcan getting these items for free either. So why would I agree with Sayian getting them?

Okay... So how does that relate to Sayian getting free items poofed to him on Zone?

vulcan cant give weapons out. Sayain makes the weapons out of the goodness of his heart (i cant beleive i said that) ur all saying, thank you we shall have them, he says can i try em our, you say pfft no all u did was make them u dont have the right. its so unfair to him, if i was sayain, id stop makin gfxes all together, for some ungrateful pricks like haunter and lance.

You're missing the point. Making a graphic, script, or level and willingly donating it does not entitle you to receiving a copy of whatever it turns into on the server.

For one, he gets the honor and recognition of having his graphics uploaded on a GraalOnline Gold Server. For another, 'appreciation' is not equivalent to 'item'.

You're right. He isn't. So what?

They're GraalOnline's graphics now. You may've missed that.

I'm glad to see that your powers of perceiving alternate realities are so awesome. Had he not made the graphics he did, it's highly likely that someone else would've made different graphics that you'd be a huge fan of instead.

To be fair, Vulcan shouldn't either. However, that's Stefan's call.

Well, at least we agree on this much. So, then, how exactly does this entitle him to a copy?

Please don't paraphrase anything I've said and include "u". It's just insulting.

Okay. Listen. I am not quite sure how you can have such a perverse understanding of fairness, but how the heck is it fair to all the other players if Sayian receives free items? Have you even bothered to stop and think about what sort of message that sends the players?

Huh, don't tell me what I feel. I appreciate that he's helping a GraalOnline gold server. I just don't feel that warrants unbalancing the game.

Well I think Lance wins... He really burned ya... Now no more quoting! Its like a massive battle of the smart people...

Quoting is good (as it says in the forum rules) ;)

i'll get on aim and try to convince sayian to stop. How is it GraalOnline's gfx? I don't think sayian gives them permission anymore to put them in, i think he just asks if they would like to see it 'in-game' so he hasn't given them permission, all he's done is ask if the players would like to see this in-game. I think he's only asked the Reapers to be put in game...so there still sayians gfx :P but anyway, lemme get on aim and tell him what you guys have been posting ^^ (i'll edit this post with whatever he says)

How is it GraalOnline's gfx?

He willingly uploaded his own graphics to webspace owned by LINUX Cyberjoueurs, therefore it becomes property of LINUX Cyberjoueurs.

...all graphics submitted become GraalOnlines.

Good job not understanding a word I said. I suggest rereading my posts.

Also, posting private history is against the rules.

Also, posting for other users (especially banned users) is against the rules.

how come its the people who dont play zone that are against it, whereas the people who play zone are for it.oh well, im going to transfare all my event items to sayain because i wouldnt want to lose his gfxes as there a great asset to graalonline, to bad lance and haunter dont give a toss that he sat for hours doing something no one would appreciate, exept his friends, but why should he care about retards like lance and haunter.

Hey can I have your bps?

O.o Er...anyway.

Lance is right. Although Sayian made the GFX, he submitted them on the Zone GFX forums. Anything that is submitted there can be used for Graalonline from that point on.

how any double posts have the admins done so far......1..2..ah well im reading these and i now take the side of the staff, he should not get the weapons, but i do believe that a thank you in some form of way, is needed, true Stefan could get new artists, but he doesnt need to, and i just think that some form of thank you is necessary....also Vulcan doesnt deserve the weapons either...but yeah im sure you all see the point that I have given

Yeah I agree with Shadox not just because he's sitting beside me with a gun to my head. But yeah Vulcan has no right to own a weapon if sayian doesn't

well i can see ive been defeated here. i understand that once someone has given their work to graalonline, it can be used to graals discretion, but i agree that some sort of thank you should go through at least as sayain did work hard on his gfxes for the benefeit of the players.

I appreciate the fact that he's doing this for Zone. I think it's great when the players pitch in to help the community. Wasn't this said already?

Also, I'm quite sure that Lance and I are in fit mental health... Our thought processes are not delayed in any way.

Read the forum rules. The sort of double posting that we've done is encouraged.

People compliment Sayian on his work... that's a 'thank you', is it not? Since when did a thank you have to be a sort of physical* thing?

*Well... As physical as something in an online game can get... It's all just lines of code, but you should understand what I mean.

when the new weapons are realeased (and you get the pm from the npc server) it's only included sayians name once...and that was next to the reapers....so no, they do not thank him...

... I wasn't talking about directly from GraalOnline. The other users give him many pats on the back. This whole thread is a giant pat on the back... A lot of you are fighting to get him free weapons... That must count for something.

But has he got anything so far? So are we really thanking him or are we just saying we are?

Didn't I just say that a "thank you" doesn't have to be something 'physical'? Pay attention. Geez.

why shouldnt he have something physical, if some1 gave you a box of chocolates, you say thank you, and get them something in return, or at least i do, cos im a decent appreciative person.

You shouldn't have to give another physical thing in return in order for them to know that you appreciate their gift... If the person gives you the box of chocolates as a gift, and then expects something in return after the fact... There's something wrong with them...

It's sort of like those kids who shovel people's driveways during the winter without asking the owner of the house first, then demand money after they've finished.

The server message on Zone might say that they would like people to send in graphics, but it doesn't say anything about compensation... If you're expecting something in return, you should make sure that you will get what you want before doing the work.

ok god point with the chocolates, but....ive run out of arguments you win. thanks to you, sayain has stopped creating masterful gfxes to zone, u go great outcome from that argument.

How is it my fault?

Would you like to send me the link?