I said "at least" :P

Oh, cool. Post by both Lance and I agreeing with Shawn's comic being a good example of how it does show how the two are incompatible were erased. You're a cool kid, Kefkin.

And yes, Googi's right. Kingdom mode could solve everything. And it's better than doing a complete wipe.

Draenin, I don't get you. First you hate Bel'la O' with everyone else and want it gone. Now you want it to stay if kingdom mode is released?

Hell no.

Why is it in the Bel'la O' thread? Can someone please remove all the pointless posts not related to Bel'la O'? thanks.

They're just gonna be posts antagonizing Bel'la. Give it up, because very few actually like the kingdom, and very few ever will. The leaders don't do anything to change it, so why should the others on GK? This has gone far enough.

This is a reply related to the bashing of BO.

Just in case there's any confusion. ;]

Hey, you've only seen Bel'la O'. What about Dustari? :rolleyes:
I'm sure, Kefkin would change his kingdom the way he wants to change it. Not your way. It's his kingdom, not yours. If he doesn't want to change the kingdom to what you want to change it to, you can't make him. ;)

BO can't even be considered a "kingdom". It's a group of scammers, bad RP'ers, power RP'ers, egomaniacs, and general all-around idiots.

Once again, a personal opinion. I'd like to hear your opinion on Dustari.

His 'way' is this:
- No level requirement.
- No previous history check.
- No blacklist check.
- No teaching newer members anything about the kingdom they're going to join except that they're drows and perhaps what drows look like.
- No Events.
- Allowing a formerly banned scammer into his kingdom again and giving him a rank that includes PHALG rights.
- No actions taken when repeatedly conferred with on his kingdom.
- No IC comments, even when on-tag.
- Insulting other kingdom leaders on-tag.

And the list goes on.

And as for Dustari, I can say this here and now: We have as many members on at a time as Forest or Bel'la do, and we, like Forest, roleplay, especially in kingdom messages. The only thing that we are alack on for the moment is events every oncein a while, and I know of just the fellow who can help me. Dust has a rather lengthy application, whereas Bel'la has next to none. (If not none.) It includes a section on Roleplay, and roleplay is properly enforced in Dustari, so as I see it, there is no major problem.

Draenins reply to the Dustari:
You opinion is totally bias!

I don't think the non-kingdom members need to have a certain level to enter the kingdom, kingdom leaders prefer this though. I wouldn't like to judge a player on their level.

History Check: How should someones history interfere with the kingdom? If they were not in that kingdom, does it concern the kingdom they're currently in? If yes, why?

Blacklist for what? Bel'la O'? Other kingdoms?
Just because members are blacklisted from one kingdom, doesn't mean they're blacklisted from them all.

How do you know that? You're not in Bel'la O'. I've seen alot of new members, each one knows about their kingdom. :o

Events, Kefkin hosted an event the other weekend.

That's the leaders choice who to allow in their kingdom. Not yours.

-No IC comments- If that's how he wishes to represent his kingdom, who is to stop him?

Insulting, gah, give me a break now. Is it that hard to call upon a war?

Oh my god. I happen to be in Dustari. Big deal. You were in both Bel'la and Samurai, and you have zealously supported each one. So you, my friend, are going against yourself.

Bel'la doesn't have one, period. I already talked to Kefkin about it.

Easy test. I've asked several (that were even on-tag) where the drows were, and they've replied with, "I dunno."

If he was on tag and insulting people with OOC comments, that is poor representation of a kingdom he is trying to build.

Debaglio was out of the kingdom for a reason.

Here we all are, back to the same thing as before. The same situation on replay. You want to know who is to stop Kefkin from acting like a child with the kingdom on that isle? The RP Team. That's one of our duties. Kefkin is leading a group that accepts any player from any background, not even teaching them about the kingdom's background save for a select few, and letting them run rampant doing anything they can to screw up stuff in other kingdoms or with other players. That is not up to standards, and you can say all you wish, but we will be back to the same thing again.

As Kaimetsu would once say:
No, yours is!

If someone is known for doing shady dealings and causing problems, it doesn't really reflect well on your kingdom to let them in. It's called a background check.
The other weekend. Very specific. What sort of event was it, how many people attended, and what was the result?
Everyone. Kingdoms are NOT guilds. Let me repeat that to make it clear. Bold this time too. Kingdoms are NOT guilds . By speaking OOC all the time, the kingdom is made into a laughing stock of an RP group.
"He called me a doodyhead OOC, so I'm going to attack his kingdom for NO GOOD IC REASON."
Just....no.

Thanks Shawn. You said it a little better than I could've because I was tired. =]

Andrew, why dont YOU tell us why you support the Bel'la Olplyn.

They're inactive - losing a member a day.

And if he has the right to do whatever he wants to with his kingdom, then technically dont we have the rights to bring up valid issues of inactivity and bad leadership to actually fix the server? I mean, what's your buff about this - Do you hate Graal 2002 so much that you want it to utterly fail? If not, you sure are showing it.

And just so you know, kingdoms are required to go along basic roleplaying guidelines. Otherwise the entirity as a whole fails. If he wants a guild then he can go make a guild.

I dont see why you all care. Yeesh, get over yourselves. It's been here atleast a month and nothing has happened, so maybe, if you all SHUT UP and move on and just IGNORE the drows, GK might be more peaceful. NOW I see why most Classic members dont want to switch to GK, because people care more about what ANOTHER Kingdom is doing, then what their own is doing. I am sure you could be being more useful in for instance, building up a navy when the ships are ok'd, then just plain barking at a kingdom very remote.


THe only reason Zurkiba and those whine about it is, because, all of a sudden, heh, they want their power back! TOO BAD. You gave it up LONG ago, get over YOURSELVES.

Whether we like Kefkin or not, until the STAFF does something, NONE of you woul dbe professional if you let bias and perseonal grudges get int he way of the goal of the RP Team, which is NOT to abuse their powers to bend things the way THEY want them, which we already see HAS happened, since ALL of the Zormite Republic MAGICALLY disappeared at their whim! And true, not all dissappeared, And, true, Kefkin IC got killed by drows, but EITHER WAY, if the RP team had not stepped in to play favorites, we wouldn't be where we are today.

SO please, all of you just shut up and go home.

Poofing of the Zormites:
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=59520
June 19, 2005

Formation of the RP Team:
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=59558
June 21, 2005

Considering that the RP Team was formed AFTER the Zormites all disappeared, I don't see how the magical disappearance was their whim.
Research -> Think -> Post

Yeah, so I met Etien today. It went like this.

Me: I have...a cowboy hat.

Etien: Me too.

Etien: I got it from Raziel.

Me: Yeah, me too.

*annoying advertiser voice*
Have you lost family in the World Trade Center attack?
Have people bothered you about it?
Do you want to take your anger out on one of these people?
Then do it on Etien!

WHAT ARE YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT.... LOL.... you think I was talking about world trade.. your wrong.. i was talking about the trade center being upgraded... how about going to the misty mug. get a life. you guys are funny. Ill check these forums again next week. lol

btw... mr. googi... etiens been dead for monnnnths.

well, i thogut i was talking aobut me and kefkin, but i guess we all got on the subject of bashing BO again, hmm, lets start on cheetos chall we, wait, does anybody hate cheetos, because i dont want thread bashing on ever damn thing i post

Hahahah, wrong. This is what you said:
"USA sucks" "I hope we get hit hard" "I want Trade Center x5" (referring to World Trade Center)

Wierd.... if I said that why didnt you screenie shot it.... lol. Nice try GAF.

Look at the people in the screenshot. Those are your witnesses to you saying that (except you). Keep in mind that it was very late at night then.

Hiding behind last minute "excuses" and lies will not get you very far.

I support Bel'la O' because it's a kingdom. Do you see enough activity from other kingdoms?
Look at all this talk, If the kingdom leaders were bothered about RP, they would want to attack Bel'la O'. But bah, this is GK.
GK doesn't want to change, many people have tried to change it.
Kingdoms should be at war. The only activity from the other kingdoms who are not at war are events.
Kingdoms should constantly be at war, this is how GK was and how it should be.

I support Bel'la O', I left Zormite. I was never in Bel'la O'.
Zormite isn't Bel'la O'. Since you're RP Team, I thought you would have found that out by now. :whatever:

I don't think kingdoms should have a blacklist. It ruins the fun, but it's the leaders choice. If he doesn't want one, does he need to have on?

Holy, you did some work for once.
Do you ask Samurai members about Samurai? How about the Pirates about Pirates? Or Forest about Forest? Dustari about Dustari?
You've proven you're only working on one kingdom. The RP Team was designed to work on all, not just one.
I talked to a Dustari member while I were in the RP Team, they was recruited the same day, wasn't given any rules or guide lines. If a player joins a kingdom, should they need to learn about the kingdom? :confused:

He removed himself, he wasn't removed from the kingdom by a leader.

I see Dustari, Forest, Samurai, Pirates and Bel'la O' running around not understanding what they're doing. If you're expecting one kingdom to change, change them all. If they want to join a kingdom, should they learn about the kingdom background? That's the leaders choice, not yours.

They are. The reason why they don't want to fight is because without intervention on this, it will become an Endless war.

I like how you generalize things. When you say GK doesn't want to change, that in itself is not a true statement. Because, face it, you don't represent what everyone on GK thinks. *prepares for the obvious rebuttal of 'Oh, and you do?'*

If you think that the only way for kingdoms to RP is to squeeze it out of them by forcing them to be in perpetual war, you are dead wrong.

You didn't answer my question.

If I was to attend the event, I would tell you. As I wasn't there, I can't answer that question. Kefkin told me he was hosting the event, I was informing you what he has told me.

Just because they're not in character when talking it's now a guild? If the RP Team think Kefkin isn't representing Bel'la O' accordingly, you should tell him. Not everyone else.

You obviously didn't understand what I was trying to address.
If Kefkin was on tag during the time of the 'insults', what's stopping you from not going to war?

What're you complaining? GK's kingdoms will be active right? Isn't that what the RP Team is supposed to do? Not a kingdom.

You're saying GK want's to change? Everyone would want GK to change, I would like GK to change, do you see it coming anytime soon?

No, I'm not ordering them to go to war. I'm sick of all these pointless threads about Bel'la O'. If you was to attack them on the game, it would clear all the pointless threads. But when you see a new thread each week, no in-game actions will take place. It's all over the forums for a bashing spree.

Way to specify which one you want answered.
Three times, now. At least.
Nobody wants to fight a war where there can be no victors.
Ah. More generalization. 'GK would want to change.' If I don't know that, then how would you, either? The plot thickens.
Untrue. Zurk and his forces attacked. Every single kingdom has attacked. There have been raids on the island and even ones like Debaglio thought would be cute to do. So tell me, Andrew, if ZE went up to Bel'la and destroyed literally everything on the island (Forts, etc.) would it solve anything? Heck no, it wouldn't. If an entire legion of people from every kingdom came to kill off Kefkin, would it solve anything? No. It's not their characters that people are mad at. It's the idiots playing as them.

History Check: How should someones history interfere with the kingdom? If they were not in that kingdom, does it concern the kingdom they're currently in? If yes, why?

Andrew says:
So draenin has never talked to you recently, or how you represent the kingdom. Has an RP Team member actually contacted you?
Andrew says:[Since i've left]
Brandon says:
nope
Brandon is Kefkin.

So, for a kingdom to go to war, they want something in return? How about respect?

Nice try there, on trying to come up with incriminating evidence. You win the blue ribbon.

Wow, how low can you go?

The item thing he said was rediculous. If any kingdom did that, they'd definitely be in question by the RP Team and I for unsavory practices like that. And why are you posting IM history? Do you know how easily alterable something like that is? How low can you go? Kefkin can say I said this or that, and that's great. But putting words in my mouth is something I will not tolerate.

He didn't put words into your mouth.
Ugh, did you read the IM?
Kefkin REMOVED the member who was trying to do that.
I'm posting IM history because you obviously don't believe me. Hey, if you're that bothered, ask Kefkin about it.

I will be talking to both you and him about it. You're not off the hook yet, buddy. If some member told him that I said the only way to get higher ranks was to give up items, then he needs to come to me first about it. Not you.

Yes. Yes I did. I said that if a person is known for shady dealings and causing problems, it reflects badly on the kingdom when that person is let in.
If you want an example, how about the bad reputation Samurai had about being the "kingdom of scammers" and letting everyone in?
Checking up on a person makes sure they will be a trustworthy and helpful member of a kingdom. Not simply a scammer out to lure other, less-knowing kingdom members into a false sense of security just so they can scam them again.

If they're not in character when they're talking, when ARE they in character? Kingdoms are meant to be RP groups, and are also an integral part of the game, therefore they come under a bit more scrutiny than other groups. Kingdoms can also not be exclusionist. Even if there is intra-kingdom roleplaying going on, if they never speak in character to anyone else, they're not doing their job. Also, I never said I was speaking for the RP Team here, and as such, I'm allowed to post what I think as much as any other player.

I'm not sure you understand yourself sometimes.
Read what's been stated please. The insults in question were OOC happenings. Starting a war with someone in a RP context because of insults that did not occur in RP, is nooooooo good.

Ugh, a member didn't say that you idiot.
Kefkin keeps me up to date with Bel'la O'. He was giving me an update.

'A member was removed from Bel'la O' because he was trying to run the show. He was telling other people in Bel'la O' that they needed good items to obtain a better rank.'
That's what he was saying, it had nothing to do with you.