Hypocrit?



No pixel art anymore? Habbo Hotel, Disgaea, Phantom Brave, Phantom Kingdoms, Golden Sun Series, Pokemon Series, and a million Cell Phone games. Right-o, nice folly.

I thought you said wouldn't post anymore? Oh, so you attacked me in an edit, and named every artist here untalented. Nice. Please, what's your user account on CGtalk so I can check out your art that obviously surpasses everyone here.

Scott owned himself :\

Whoa, I did. That's pretty ****ing amazing. o_O;; Gwaha. I'd edit, but I don't really care. ^_^

Wow -- that is sig worthy. Haha.

My post was directed to viewers of the graphics forum. For the most part as far as the viewers here go, there is some knowledge of graphics (though I would question talent for how long everyone here, besides perhaps galdor and you, have been at the same level). Apparently it wasn't taken that way which is why I said that.

As far as those games you've listed, come on. I never heard of most of those, and the 2 I did hear of were terrible. To think you are actually trying to claim those are better then 3d games....wow.... x_x.

Last but not least, allow me to quote MYSELF to prove your stupid last comment wrong.

Since obviously you have no comprehension skills, allow me to explain what this means. It means I believe this forum has no one with real skill for the real world, myself included (at my current level). It also means I am not ready to post on cgtalk, I simply view and learn from people who do post there. By claiming my own stuff is crap, and considering my own stuff is better then most stuff here, I am basically saying graal has inexperienced beginner artists. The ONLY artist so far to have anything amazing was NewGut, but no one heard of him because he worked in secret for NewWorld. I'm not being the arrogant one here, you are, simply proven by the fact you get so offended when anyone says anything but glory to you. You're so used to glory you've forgotten what it feels like when someone says anything otherwise.

Personally I thought it was a nice calm arguement, I never take anything people say personally and I absorb the negative things thrown at me. That is the prime reason I usually treat others bad and barely compliment, so they can return the favor to me and make me stronger. What I'm trying to say is I appreciate you getting personally offended and attacking me. I'm serious, I really do appreciate it. What I'm also saying is you display major weakness by your rash anger. Could it be that what I'm saying is true, and you're simply trying to lie to yourself? Maybe. :frown:

Don't mean to toot my own horn, but I think my ability to sketch is quite fantastic. I'm not quite sure how "the real world" applies, or what exactley I must do to become worthy of "the real world" but I am sure that my ability to sketch is, as I said earlier, fantastic.

Now, since I tooted my horn I will also stated that I'm not capable of doing coloring as articulately as I am sketching, and than I am working on this. *Shrug* but I suppose you vicious animals will want some proof, and since my scanner is at my friends (Matthew) I won't be able to do so (especially since he's away for the weekend). So I suspect there will be a lot of disbelief.

Your ignorance is pretty much your own problem. As is your poor taste in games.

Was this directed at me? Glory? Haha. I post on a couple other forums (Pixelerate, Eatpoo, Latent Medium) and I recieve far from glory. I'm used to harsh critisism. Man, you don't even know the kind of art I actually take seriously. I don't even understand how you can justify yourself as been better than somone at something without showcasing this so called talent. I'm the arrogant one? I don't trot around saying I'm better than anyone. I'll say who I like and who I don't, but certainly not that I'm better.

As well, you're right. Because a video game is 3D, automatically the fun factor in the game must be more so than one that is 2D. I'll tell you straight forward Mario Bro. 3 is a hell of alot more fun than most of the Playstation games I've played.

Reply to Kaimetsu:
The point, which you obviously missed, was illustrationg the lack of popularity those games listed contain. As far as games go I am pretty much an average joe (aside from SNES games). By me claiming I do not know of most of those games, I claim the majority of people do not, which proves the point the people like graphics on 3d games. That proves 3d games have better graphics by the popular eye, and the majority eye defines reality. I thought it was pretty straightforward, but maybe I need to explain everything in depth from now on.


Response to paragraph one: I'm not sure who you're talking to. Obviously not me, considering I've already covered what you just said twice now. So I will disregard that paragraph.


Response to paragraph two: Fun factor? Isn't this a graphics forum? I presume we are talking about graphics, not about quality of a game. I'm not refering to "fun factor", I'm refering to "graphics factor". To say super mario bros. 3 has better graphics than final fantasy 7 (a playstation game off the top of my head) is crazy and stupid for that matter.


Scott, I would just quit the arguement if I was you. I personally enjoy this kind of discussion because it sharpens the mind, but you seem to be getting stressed over it. My mind won't allow me to stop, so if you want to keep going I'm fine. Just try not to get so steamed.

How about afew hundred million dollars and a hugantic corporate office, as well as nearly every possible marketting and advertising device used?

*****, Blizzard isn't better because their graphics are of a different form, they're better because they're ****ing huge.

Fyi, alot of people think the graphics on L2, WoW, etc are ****ty. Alot of people don't think that kind of "we're trying too hard, but coming up short" graphics is that great.

Was this discussion about money? Was it about marketing? No. It was about graphics quality, and if you claim WoW does not have better graphics then what you see here, you are delusional. We're trying too hard, but coming up short? Wow, you're a genius :rolleyes: . WoW is a masterpiece as far as visuals go, and you one or two people who don't agree likely couldn't afford to play the game ;) . The hundreds of thousands of players of enjoy the game agree with this statement, and that is far more solid then you're individual opinion.


With WoW scenary such as trees that is indeed the case. It is a modeling technique used to reduced the number of vertices. That is why most computers can handle WoW and still have nice graphics. Many other games use this as well when they are aiming for performance. Really only can be noticed in trees.

I'd also like you to name a great 2d game. Name a single one that has outdone any 3d game out right now. Name one who can not be defeated by a single 3d game. (graphically)

The fact is, I do enjoy 2d games with cartoony graphics. I enjoy 3d games with CG graphics more. I do enjoy 2d games with realistic graphics. I enjoy 3d games with realistic graphics more. Adding a new dimension increases the complexity of a game, and opens the door to far more possibilities. Once again, please note this "enjoyment" I describe is only refering to graphics. Gameplay is not the issue here.

I for one can say when playing games like farcry, the graphics were so nice I often found myself admiring the scenary. Can't say I've ever done that with any 2d games. How could anyone possibly argue with this? The answer is so painfully obvious, and yet you guys grasp your false arguement, clearly proven wrong.

Gat Warz!!!!1

You sound as if you'd rather play a crap 3D game rather than a great 2D because "3D games have better graphics".

Anyway, someone correct me if i'm wrong, but most 3D games seem to use 3D shapes with the same graphics you get in 2D games slapped on each side.

Pokémon isn't popular? Dude, what are you thinking?
So you've never heard of Disgaea, Phantom Brave or Phantom/Makai Kingdom? Your loss, dawg. They might not be so well-hyped over in America, but they're awesome games that've sold bundles in Japan alone. Enough for their creator to have made a whole series full of similar titles.

No, you just need to accept the fact that maybe you don't know everything.

Well, I went off track there on accident. Popularity is different in different places, and those things aren't big in the US. Anyway, this is a graphics forum...I'm dropping this aspect of the discussion.


Ha. Hahahha. Hahahahhahahaha. I can't believe you are trying to tell someone else that! You, who comments on everything as though you are a god, are telling me, who ONLY posts in the graphics and playerworld forums (for the most part), that I need to accept the fact I don't know everything! Wow, Kaimetsu. Wow. When it comes to graphics, I know far more then you do. Most people on this side of the forums do. When it comes to creating playerworlds, I know far more then you do. I argue things I know about. "Everything" includes things besides what I have been discussing in this thread, it is clearly untrue. I know what I know and I don't pretend to know what I don't.

This is a fun discussion.

Ya' don't have to be beautiful to know what's ugly, just as example.

Pokémon isn't big in the US?

Anyway, what reason do we have to limit this to America?

So this would be the legendary "NO BUT U R" comeback? I'd heard rumors, but until today I had never realised the full extent of its power!! Clearly it will make wars impossible.

Do you know what an ad hominem is? It's where somebody tackles a point by insulting the person that made it, rather than debating its merits. It's tremendously ineffective and, generally, only employed by those desperate for a quick counter.

I don't think we're talking about graphics. We're talking about computer games.

Except how to make good ones, maybe? What do you know that I don't?

Off the current topic, I just needed to put this here because it looked too cool :) Glow bowling:

Trying to diminish my integrity by saying I couldn't afford 50$ and 19 or so a month? Wow, I bet you live in a 4000 square foot house with a 2005 BMW 7 series sitting outside your house, DON'T YOU?

Thanks for making my day, scrub.

Guild Wars graphics > WoW graphics

I'd rather play an Old SNES sprite game then play WoW, or hell, any of those "amazingly graphic" games. I think they look like ****, and try too hard. <3 Diablo2 style **** graphics.

Yeah, all those old SNES games rock with all their pixelaty. But I guess that it ofcourse is hard to create a 3D game by pixeling.

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Ragnarok Noline? wtf? Who is that?

Grr. I ****ed up. :[

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Gman:

Wtf is wrong with you people? Who the hell cares about graphics? Im tired of all
these people playing these games that are "so great" when the gameplay is
crap but the graphics are the best in the world. It doesn't matter what the
graphics look like, or if its 3d or 2d, what matters is the gameplay.

Word.

BAN, HE DISCUSSED A BaN, BaN PLZ. (DONT BAN ME BECAUSE I DIDNT DISCUSS A MMORPG TOO!!@# WhopPS I MuSt Be BanNNEd Too Nuuu)

Where's Zen when you need him?

ACCOUNT SHARING EH?

Game play is needed for a good game but advertising a 2d game on TV comaired to advertising a 3d game when they cant actually see it or play it and they can only go by what there eyes tell them thats how people buy the games then they smash there head into a table when they realised the peice of shiney 3d crap they bought sucks. On I diffrent noteThe Matrix online owns WoW -end-

Diminish integrity? What the hell? I was making a point that you likely haven't played the games. When I use to be unable to play the games I always said games like D2 and such were the best. But the fact of the matter was they were the cheapest =P. And yeah, I do live in a 4,100 sq foot house with a 2002 750 iL BMW outside. I'm actually sort of frightened by the fact that you said that. But my fright aside (nice shiny weapons can make you unafraid fast heh), if you think that means anything, it doesn't. Happiness comes with sacrifice. I'm not going to explain my personal life to you. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with that. Scrub? Everyone in this world is insignificant my friend, regardless of what others think of them. In the end we will all end up dead, and the thoughts and hopes we had will not matter. We will simply be dead. Money, power, intelligence won't matter.


Yeah, I do think Guild wars is > then WoW.

This thread has obviously gone out of hand. I thought we were talking about graphics. Now I will give my opinion on gameplay.

The fact of the matter is these new games have better gameplay. They are superior in every fashion. Some of you will argue they aren't as fun; that is simply because we all played those old games first. We were exposed to them first, and they were the first ones to make a true impression. If we were to reverse time, and make it so you were young now and the technology went backwords, you would say when SNES came out "what the hell is this crap". I just beat half life 2, and that game was better then the first one. Obviously, as time goes on we progress. Those old games were good, and told nice stories. But these new games are good, tell nice stories, and have sweet graphics to go along with it. You now don't only need to appreciate the complexity and twists of a story; you can appreciate the lifelike graphics and sound, which display far more emotion then words do. You just couldn't tell a story in a game like you can now. And to me, that is what makes a game great...how well they tell the story. If you claim those old games told better stories, in some cases I could not argue. But how they told those better stories is what is significant. To show what the characters are feeling through the facial features and body movements. That tells a story.

Anyway, my point is I was exposed to those games first as well. And as much as my mind is telling me I loved playing those old castlevania games (I still do, the gameboy ones), and how much I loved playing those mario games...I realize if I was back in time presented with the option to play Mario 64 of Mario 3, I would choose Mario 64.



And zerohour, you misunderstand what I mean by insignificance. It is a human word, it is something created in our minds. "Wow, look at that guy, he is so rich and powerful, he is really important". Is he rich and powerful when he is dead? Is he actually better then us? If there is an afterlife or not, does that money or power do anything for him? Significance only exists in our puny existence. It is something many insignificant people generate in there mines about other insignificant people.

Question: Why then do we even have the term significant, or insignificant? If we're all equally insignificant we would not need a term to describe our significance.

Assuming we really are all insignificant would you tell me that a bumb who drinks your tax money away (thanks, welfare!) and a scientist who helps create medical breakthroughs are both equally insignificant solely because they're going to die? I would assume that one plays a more socially significant role than the other, ci?

I'm going to die, why should I even try? :frown: I'll rely on fait to tell me what to do! ^^