Get rid of levels above level 30. Also, get monsters to drop rare items, and make it so that monsters are very difficult to kill by onesself.

-OR-

We could just bring back Kingdom Mode in which everyone is level 5 and each person does 5-10 damage a swing.

Then no one could hit anyone, since the armor people wear is already EAed up. It would also exaggerate the advantage of people with duel RoWs and PMoP etc, but I think some sort of bringing back kingdom mode is a good idea. There are a lot of veteran roleplayers here, we should be able to come up with a good solution. :)

BY GEORGE I THINK YOU'RE ON TO SOMETHING! No, seriously. This is the best thing I've heard in this thread. The second best thing below.

And I always thought you never had a brain. Hallelujah hallelujah the lord has come!

PLEASE DO THESE THINGS.

It would be great to limit levels above 30 in some ways, but it a) will never happen staff/playerbase wise... and b) people have worked hard to get above that level and its hard to blame higher level players when they are only responding to the high level players in other threatening kingdoms and working hard to protect their kingdom. Its not like they are at fault.

In regards to combining zormite and dustari...these are actually very distinct element.

Well, GK will never be limited to level thirty, it just won't happen...staff/playerbase wise. Its also hard to blame players who work hard to get to high levels to defend their kingdoms and penalize them, chances are in the end high end players will take a hit so the least we can do is ensure that its thought out as best as possible.

As for combining zormite and dustari, they are very very distinct kingdoms. Dustari is very medieval, and zormite is both a replublic and has a very ancient world feel to it. The two nations have an alliance that makes them as strong as one kingdom, but diversity would be lost if they were merged.

What we need is a good plot, a good RP story to tell. In addition to that, an effective mechanism that helped promote RP compatible wars would greatly help.

Dustari and Zormite are as good as one. We could just cut out the middle man. The only reason this wont happen is one of these little queens will have to give up their throne.

I'll take note of that and file it under "how not to make a constructive comment" thank you. If you can't see the difference between the two kingdoms you are making a point of not wanting to.

CP is on the way UP
 

I think CP is on the way up. We have a good core group of active members
who participate in all the events, are always on tag, and are always helping
and encouraging each other. It's a fun and active kingdom with a lot going on.

As for RP, thats a no win game where nobody is ever happy. Some vocal
people will always say there's not enough and then when you make rules to
enforce RP, a big group on the other side says that sucks. We try to take a
middle road where RP is encouraged, without making it a requirement.
In fact, to promote interest in RP, we are working on a Pirates-Zormite RP
event which I hope will be the first of many. I hope other kingdoms will also
be interested in this setting up this type of event.

As with anything in life, its easy to sit back and criticize the way things are,
but much harder to be part of the solution and work to make things better.

Governor Alan Steele - Crescent Pirates

Yeah! only have 4 kingdoms and keep the allies so everything will be perfect. Get real, get some action no one wants to play a game where they can't battle anyone in a different kingdom -_-

Yeah, we dont want to piss off the top five players so that the 100 other players can enjoy a game. That'd just be a crime against humanity itself.

Lower everyone's EXP down 80%-90% and make it harder to get EXP, tada! Zurkiba has just solved how to level the levels.

Not to mention most people just abuse bugs to get exp. Granted there will always be bugs but atleast those bug exploiters wont be leading the kingdoms.


Awesome, not only are both kingdoms lead by people from Dustari. They go against every single set of prior settings to ruin kingdoms.

Zormite has an ancient feel? For me it has a vomitting feel :(. If you think that then Zen has failed in his reasoning to make Zormite feel like a modern state.

Dustari is more like a fantasy human kingdom. Otherwise 90% of the army would be carrying around pickaxes and lumber axes while the other 10% were Knights.

Yeah, Republic by name, Monarchy by actuality.

What diversity? The different rank names.

And different members + island. It just makes so much more sense to combine Zormite and Dustari since they operate as one anyway too.

First, you'll find its more like 100 players getting pissed off and about 5 or so in favor...even Zoe, who is the strongest player in the game last I checked, was in favor of a complete reset. If you think she abused bugs, check her hours - she earned her XP. If it wasn't for players like her lots of PKers who have absolutely no interest in RPing would have had total run of every island on GK, you should really be thanking her. I have personally proposed ideas such as nerphing people's XP by percent, and fixing the xp amounts, but if you wait for things like that to further roleplaying then you are obstructing, not helping, progress with RPing.
Aki has been in zormite for ages, she's one of the oldest members of that kingdom.
That is because of your unhealthy obsession with zormite/fishhead issues. If you were a better roleplayer you would have long ago accepted that Zormite is the way it is. I doubt you could roleplay a character who was even neutral towards Zormite, because of your petty out of character differences of opinion on the direction it should have taken. You should accept that fishheads hurt roleplaying (how do you recruit people to join a kingdom who have RP characters that are.............not fish? Zormite has to be a working kingdom, not just a goldfish bowl for your ammusment)

As for Zen, he did add a much more modern touch, but it definately has a bronze age feel to the island overall, that it has a longer history.

Picking hairs here.

Yeah, Monarchy by game mechanics as a result of the fixed kingdom GUI, a Republic by roleplaying of its members. The only thing that is so similar between Dustari and Zormite, is your ill founded petty contempt for both.
Get over it so you can stop being such an obstructionist and actually help further progress with roleplaying. I think we are trying to brainstorm here, not bicker over long dead differences of direction in the various kingdoms' developments.

Idea: Any one on a kingdom tag gets their stats set to a fixed position.

The only thing different about Dustari and Zormite is the name. They both go together with every decision. The kingdom leaders are of the same royal family. You and I both know that the only differences are the names.

A strong alliance is not the same as both of them functioning the same. They have entirely different roleplaying setups and styles. As different as CP and forest. I prefer the human/medieval/fantasy type kingdom, to roleplay in greatly to that of a republic. That is my personal preference. People who prefer differently, of course, are in zormite. Then there are people who prefer to complain about everything, and like you, they are not in any kingdom.

That must be why I'm not in any kingdom either. Well, I was in Samurai until the Empress found out I wanted to take over. :[

I don't think the pirates are in decline, I know they are, and I will tell you why, because the pirates aren't pirates anymore, they are people who like pirates.

I would like to note that the quote in Ziro's signature has become less of a joke, and more of a reality, please observe.

Believe it or not, I was actually talking to Alisa on teamspeak and with her own words, she might as well have said just that, she said something along the lines of:

"Pirates are mean and cruel because they kill people and steal things, so I don't think we should be like pirates, but more like a pirate club."

It's a sad fact people, wake up, CP has no true pirates anymore, all the true pirates that were in CP got kicked out for being pirates.

IE: killing on tag, stealing/scamming, cursing, things that are to be expected of any halfway decent pirate scum

If I am not mistaken, pirates are societal outcast who have turned towards violence and theft as a more adventurous and profitable line of work, CP is just a bunch of carebears with hooks that say "Ahoy" alot.

But, since they don't roleplay anyway, this doesn't matter.

Zoe is a hypocrite or a bug exploiter. Zoe told me that I need to get a life, and that Graal is only a game.

I have a lot of hours on Graal Kingdoms, which must mean I should be higher then level 6 right?

How does Zoe's level influence the number of roleplayers in the game? It doesn't. If anything it deters people from roleplaying in general. Because of players like her there are no wars and therefore roleplaying slowly dies.

Obviously you fail to understand that the current state is not roleplaying. 'OMG IT WAS MAGIC AND NOW WE'RE HUMANS! OMG!' wow, nice roleplaying there.

Funny, I could've swore the Zormite Empire of 2k1 did perfectly fine. In fact I believe it became the most active kingdom on 2k1 and conquered the world. Gasp! No you're right, being a fish would never work and it ruins roleplaying and the state of Zormite in general.


Ugh

Obstructionist? Hardly. If you listened to me then we wouldn't be in this mess.

If you couldn't tell I'm a very aggressive person. Ergo I fix problems the way I know best, through aggression. Why?.. because the leaders of today do not understand what their kingdom is.

We are not brainstorming here. The point of the thread is to discuss if Cresent Pirates are going downhill. It went far off track with discussions such as this. But the conversations had to be in this thread because the corruption over at the Dustari forums just flooded the ideas of all elsewhere.

It is you are the obstructionist. Along with you are some of the other kingdom leaders. The kingdom leaders are directly responsible for the outcome of the roleplaying community of Graal Kingdoms and you have failed.

You fail to understand that a person with KAD rights can not remove a person from a kingdom.

Do you think I am not a Dustarian? Far from it. I am more Dustarian than you are. I still believe myself to be within the kingdom. The same is with Nappa and the Zormites. Why dont you ask Nappa how much the Zormites have influenced his life.

CP doesn't tolerate people that DO roleplay in the roleplaying kingdom.

::Notes that a certain pirate, carrying the title of "Assassin", was removed from CP for "PKing on tag", even while this very person was RPing as they were doing so.::

Their not completely different, at all. They are both monarchy's, but one just puts the name "republic" after it's name.

Oh and by the way, I am in Forest, fool.

Game mechanics only affect so much, yes, the game was better for RP when everyone was about level 5, but let's consider this, that's because they had no other options, brute force was unheard of, now, there is an option, because people are more powerful. If people wanted to roleplay, they would have to have the willpower to choose the less popular option, that is, to roleplay, the pace of the game picked up when people stopping having to struggle to acomplish anything, it picked up to the point were no one stopped to smell the flowers, so to speak, to enjoy their surroundings, now their only drive is to be better killers. So, I suggest that all kingdoms outcast powerplayers, anyone who's primary motive is to get the better weapon, and have the best armor, etc, people who standing around the marketplace buying diamonds to prep the infernos and the hammers and the FIDs, rather than going out, and being content with an unprepped weapon.

Do you really think it takes -50 or more WC to kill T-Rex? Pfft, no way, the only reason you would actively seek more than -30 wc is if you were a powerplayer bent on PK, because beyond -30, it's redundant, same goes for AC, -30 and you're not going to be getting hit by much of anything. I am talking these being maximums, if people lose the challenge and the struggle, they get lazy, and they become what we see today.

I've seen alot of innocent noobs who had more RP potential and common sense than all the server's oldbie power players combined. I challenge the entire GK server to take off their RoWs, RoS, RoC, whatever, and all thier PMoP, and Event this, and event that, and put it in a bag and store it for later, then take a week or so, and try playing from scratch, don't reset your character, but I mean, just as far as items, and play tendencies, try to go out and work for your own things, rather than waiting around the trade room for good deals, go mine and craft yourself a weapon, put a +1-2 blessing on it, then go struggle for a while, smell the flowers, look around. Alot of times, the simplest life is the most fullfilling.

Foo'

You can say that over and over but it doesn't make it so. The diversity between Zormite and Dustari is no different than the diversity between Dustari and Forest, or CP, or anywhere.

And congrats on getting into a kingdom.

I totally agree with you, most people agree that when people were about lvl 5 or so it was much better.

First, its not a willpower issue, because when people were lvl 5, there was still a game mechanic element to solve victories and such, where players could work together, roleplay, and with some skill and tactics, win in a respectable fashion. If we didn't have any game mechanic factors, how would you determine the winner of any war? Typing *cuts off head* doesn't amount to a way to determine victory.

The people of that strength level in dustari have only doen so for one reason: to defend the kingdom, because whether you like it or not, people will always have to deal with high level players, often not in any kingdom, who will distrupt and harass other players. Second, where do you cut off 'powerplayer' by definition? Level 29? Level 30?

You need to defeat Pkers, or they will PK you. It did happen in the past, not even other kingdom members at all, and it was very distruptive when someone PKs half the royal family during an event in Borea or such.

I personally would like to see both GK reset, and the item base changed drastically. XP should be adjusted too. I would like it best if weapons were made in smithies, not purchased with event coins, and if you had something as rare as armor from your god, you'd have to be a truly powerful priest, not just some barb with lit and piety. I want roleplaying to improve now though, not wait until they finally break down and reset the server...if that ever even would happen.

Just ignore my response -_-

None the less, Graal Kingdom's game mechanics wont be fixed. I've tried to change them for three years now and there is still no luck. Apparently the higher staff dont care about 2k2.

Sorry Zurk, your post was the last on the page and I missed it....

Wrong, sorry. If you harassed me as much as you have her, I would likely have told you to get a life as well.
Depends on when you last played. At the time of the fall of the Astri, lvl 6 was average. It also depends on what you do with your time. I am a lower level than most other players by todays standards.

You do realize that PK guilds of players who got bored with Era, with tags like (Gangstas) would constantly try to PK entire kingdoms worth of players and pretty much ruin events and anything else. It was people like Zoe that helped marginalize these types.

You sure can slam be good when you put your words in my mouth...Zormite has easy RP transition options, for instance, the ancient zormites live on their kingdom, trade begins, human trade settlements appear, humans become more integrated, old zormites begin to die off because of environmental or other problems.


That was 2k1. Now, if you can explain how you can recruit players to a kingdom of people who are forced to wear ugly fish heads that were very poorly drawn, without using 'great rping' like 'OMG IT WAS MAGIC AND NOW WE'RE FISH PEOPLE! OMG!' do tell.

Huge difference between thinking you are right, and being right.

I can be aggressive myself, but I try to be sure its 'my business' first. You should too. Why?.. because the wanna-be leaders of yesterday do not understand what our kingdoms are.

Do tell, what charges of corruption are these? This was about CP and if they are going down hill, and some constructive ideas to help them and the rest of GK. The brainstorming was about making things..........better, instead of recirculating yesterday's trashload of excuses of problems.

I have worked hard to improve roleplaying, and am even happy to work with people like you, if you would work with us instead of making stupid excuses.

You fail to understand when nobody at all wants you in a kingdom, you are pretty effectively not a member.

You're belief is wrong, no one in dustari wants you, and I assure you know one in zormite wants nappa. I don't care if [insert favorite music band here] had a huge influence on Nappa's life, he doesn't get to stalk them, berate them, and try to get them all to wear fish masks.

The sooner both of you accept that A) Zormite is not a fishhead kingdom (it had a chance actually but people like you ruined it with the constant fishhead and fish-fry remarks that made it really lame) and that B) no matter how aggressive you are you will not convince people to implement bad ideas, no matter how strongly you stand by them - the sooner you can constructively add to GK and stop obstructing it.

You say, nerph XP by a percent, I say, that is fine with me and I had the same idea, but I don't have a magic wand nor do I have an automatic consensus of all graalian players. So, since I know you are smart use that brain and come up with some ideas that can work and are about solutions, instead of just weak snips about how much you don't like zormite and dustari.

You fail to understand the point I was making in that statement.

I'd rather have a roleplaying system then having a no-pker world. The day Dustari is invaded is the day that roleplaying takes a leap upwards.

I did not put words in your mouth. I was mocking the Zormite state.

Here is another story, 'we couldn't make up a good story so we just say that zormites evolved into humans'.

The simple fact is this, Zormite is a fish kingdom rather you like it or not. It is something you nor Aki can change. You fail to understand that.


If you hadn't noticed, 2k1 and 2k2's roleplaying enviroments are supposed to be the same.

In all roleplaying standards, the Zormites would've always been Fishes. There is a reason why the current 'Zormite' Republic isn't in my history records.

I can give you a tip on this subject (as arrogant it may sound), I am right. Your opinion can not sway that.

Wanna-be leaders of yesterday? No. I dont have the time to lead a kingdom. My mission is to improve Graal and the roleplaying community of 2k2 but it leaders such as yourself which trash my motives and ruin the good cause.

And the new ****-be leaders of Today refuse to look back and want to rewrite their history and make their own guild. We do understand what the kingdoms are today, -utter crap-.

Apparently Graal Kingdoms wont work if there is not a coming together of the old roleplayers of old and the new leaders of today. Wouldn't you agree?

Code of Conduct states that Constructive Criticism is wanted; yet the thread is still closed!

I have tried to work with Dustari and Zoe. But instead I am turned away being called a Racist, Woman Hater, and Anti-American.

I want to work with you all too, but it cant happen if you're not willing to work with me.

Get me a list and I'll believe you. Most dont know who I am. It appears the only person who doesn't want me to be in Dustari (from what I know) is merely Zoe.

If Nappa made that band, was apart of that band, and got sick and had to leave the band for five years. Wouldn't you agree that the band has influenced his life? What he had worked so hard on for ages still around and you dont think he should still be apart of that? -That- is where your reasoning crumbles.

A) Zormite -is- a Fish Kingdom
B) Yeah because improving the roleplaying system is a bad idea

Zurk, Zurk, Zurk. First, I don't see that much Constructive Criticism coming from you, just rehashing of old, finished topics like the failed desire to see Zormite be a kingdom of fish people. That issue was settled, a long time ago. Hijacking threads and starting new threads regularily to rehash old completed debates is an example of spamming and is actually against the code of conduct.

The fact is, game mechanics was an important element back in your time, on 2k1, and is still to this day. The problem is that people can level up to very high levels, which is primarily to provide player retension, to increase playtime - the real retension feature shouldn't be the prospect of hitting lvl 110, but the community and roleplaying. Still, not all of GK (much of GK actually) is in any kingdom, and is not part of that RP community, so its a feature none the less.

Still, I ask if you can give me one example of a way a human player can be recruited by zormite and forced into fishness that has some RPish sense about it.

If he quit the band, he quit the band. If the band improves itself over the next 5 years, does new things, gets a new style, sorry, if Nappa left he left. He can't walk in 4 years later and act like he's the boss and can tell everyone what to do - those band members put five years of their life into its development and Nappa would have no right to tell them to do things his way or walk away from all they have done and worked for.

-That- is where your reasoning crumbles. There is no reason on Earth you can say that is not so.

I don't care what you think Zormite -should- be you need to accept how it -is- and will be until such time as the players in it -want- to change it...its up to them, not you, not me, and certianly not nappa.

Also, it bothers me you don't want to put in the time to lead a nation, but do want to tell everyone how to run them according to your untested, ill founded ideas of what will work. If you want to work with kingdom leaders, then lets work together.
I am actually working to improve RPing right now - in all the kingdoms - and have posted threads for interkingdom plot lines that we can develop and try to actually get some things rolling. Get over your control issues and try to come up with some solutions that can be put into place, and if you don't have what it takes and want to just say the tired old 'well the GK staff don't care so nothing can be done' way out, then don't critize ad nauseum those of us trying to actually make the place better.

That is where your reasoning is flawed - I never quit Zormite. Zormite was removed forcefully from the server I played on and was changed instantly before my eyes. It's not like "oh they evolved 3 minutes later when it was thrown onto 2k2". I have been pushing fish heads SINCE ZORMITE WAS MOVED. (Oh and look at that, Moved, not CREATED)

Not really, since I never quit. I am one of the only true Zormite members to the end.

When do you represent the players ? Did you somehow become the leader of all the united players of this game ? No.. Changing Zormite not only ruins it for the members of Zormite but it removes roleplaying aspect from the game in general, thus hurting MY gameplay. So I as a PLAYER of the game, should have a say, no ?

I don't need to become a baker to tell you you can't make a cake, and that you should give it more sugar. I don't have to lead your nation to tell you your doing something wrong. As Zurkiba has been SAYING IN EVERY POST HE HAS MADE he has been trying to work with the kingdom leaders.

We have come up with solutions, but all you have done is argue against them and not come up with your own.

It's the same on how people can just magically forge an age. Characters are made. Each time I recruited for Zormite a new character was formed with a new name and personality.

So since I answered your question. Why dont you give me some logical explainations. How would the Zormites magically become Human? Why they would keep the name. And why they would generate a completely new culture?

If there was a merge of kingdoms, why isn't Zormite a melting pot of them all? If Humans took over the island why hasn't the castle on 2k1 reconquered the island?

How come the Zormites are allies with Dustari? Zormite has always hated Dustari, always warred against it. Why is it different on 2k2? How come the Zormites aren't friends with Samurai? After all the Zormites and Samurai colonized the new world at the same time, both together (the Samurai were but a vassal of the Zormite Empire)

As for the other points, Nappa has answered them just fine, I will not repeat what he has said.

That is a rather bad idea - people don't like to just drop a character they have developed most of the time. Please try to find a working solution.

I already stated that...its easy. Just try this: Zormite race settles civilization, they are zenophobic at first, but adjust over time, humans come to the land as traders, end up making up a large portion of the civiliation, and due to factors that don't affect the humans, the zormites steadily die off. The culture stays largely the same, until of course the republic was born, but Zen has documented that enough and I don't need to rehash it.
Zormite is a melting pot of humans that over time integrated into Zormite culture. They were at peace with each other and there would be no reason for 2k1 zormites to attack. Besides, 2k1 is totally dead/inactive...so maybe a plague or something swept that whole land, or maybe a moon of bomies fell on it.
First, if Samurai was a vassal of the Zormites, there is the answer to your question: as you learned first hand, you can't make other nations vassals and expect them not to try and take you down first chance they get. During most of the time after you left GK, Samurai was pretty much considered a barbarian horde, a waste land without culture. It was the easiest way to explain the total lack of government or discipline.
Dustari and Zormite forged its alliance most strongly during the time that you yourself were attacking us both. Nothing like a common enemy to make good allies. You were a larger threat to either nation than either of us could be to each other. But I believe, under Charles' reign, we actually had some good relations with Zormite. But think for a moment - why are we allies with half the nations in the world today in real life? We were at war with Spain, with Germany, with Japan, with the British. You can hardly say that it is some sort of stretch for Zormite and Dustari to be allies. You yourself fault Samurai for breaking its alliance with you - when you forced that alliance on them...by means of war. You are really grasping at straws here, its insane to say that any two nations in GK can not ally no matter how many years pass. It has no room for the RP developments that have occured over that time.
Can you quote them? I rarely see any relevance in any of his posts, they tend to be kind of nonsensical. If you want me to address something print it.

So, 1) please come up with a better way than forcing a player to drop their entire character when joining 'your' version of zormite and coming up with a whole new personality.
2) Reread my points regarding the 'band analogy' and tell me how you can still consider nappa having any say in the direction of zormite.
3) Reread the very old posts where this issue was long ago settled, and when you are done, try to come back and be helpful and aid RPing in GK instead of hindering it.

Let's see. Closing a thread with no reason, continuing arguing after you've already closed a thread so you get the last word because else you can't win.

And why would this be? Not because they would be bad members. No, it's more like, 1 or 2 people up there who can't stand them being right and better than them.

I accept Zormite is no fish kingdom. Then what is it? It has nothing to make it different from Dustari, except that it's called a Republic.


Perhaps you should try to accept that.


He never said he didn't like Zormite and Dustari. On 2k1.

What if the band goes downhill instead?

Except that 'people' don't have a character most of the time. Please, get Zoe to send me her RP profile. Oh wait. There is no such thing, and the 'RP profile' in her head is probably something like 'Female, Queen of Dustar1'

How would you settle a civilization? :\

So, how come most of the Zormite culture (which is a part of civilization, whether you like it or not) hasn't been affected by this? The humans had no culture? But how come Zormite's culture, which is nihil anyway, looks nothing like Zormite on 2k1's culture? It should be the same.

Could you send those documents to me?

The fact that you don't understand them doesn't mean they're nonsensical.

Scroll down then.

What 'entire character'? They usually don't have a character.

He still has a say in Zormite, but not in Dustari Jr.

If you want me to adress something, print it.

Apparently people do drop their "characters" (if you want to call random PKing and running around screaming 'ne1 gotz 1?' a character) to join a Kingdom. Eventually if they want they will join an established family.

So just how did the Sagesun family grow? You want to know how the Warhare Family grew? The wife became pregant, her bomy took her to places.

How does a person join Forest? They're not human, they're elf!

How did Zurkiba become a member of Dustari? His parents were soldiers in the Dustarian army, both died in the Dustari-Zormite war, Axel goes running off in fear and confusion about his parents. Zurkiba searches for him (and various trainings in the sciences and spending time with a retired Warrior) to later return as an adult with Axel.

If I were to join Zormite and they were fishes, this is what my story would be:
I came over from the Castle on the old lands.

Amazing, see how complex and difficult that was?

I asked for a logical answer...

Why wouldn't it be the 2k1 culture?.. and more importantly, why would they be assimiliated into the Zormite culture? We're not talking hundreds and hundreds of years here. It would be similiar to the Jewish community being assimiliated by American culture, it just doesn't work.


Yet again, this wasn't hundreds of years.

We have all of the survivors of the metorite crash on the old lands settling in the new lands. This rules out billions of years of evolution and what not. The Zormites were declared a human state within the second week or so of Graal Kingdoms.

You do not know the story of 2k1 then. Just because a book is never read does not mean there is no story. In a roleplaying sense, 2k1 is very much alive. The nations are rebuilding after being scattered. The only nation that does -not- have to rebuild are the Zormites. The Zormites were the only kingdom which stayed, which left few reminants of the other kingdoms to merge and rebuild. Nation of Bellasera, Dustari and Pirates worked together. Malenth, Dustari and Samurai worked together (Dustari being dominate).

The Zormites only suffered a small food issue in their shelters at home and the two Emperors died. The Council of Elders would've selected a new Emperor and the Zormites would've grown stronger then ever without human competition.

So since you get to make up oddball roleplaying excuses
*launches the magical nuclear missile at Zormite and all the humans die expect the Zormite fishes*
Yey for me! The Fish reign supreme now!

If you would recall history, you would discover that my diplomatic skills broke up the Dustari-Zormite alliance. Why is it that when we invaded the Zormite island no Dustarians showed up? Why is it that when we invaded the Dustari island no Zormites showed up?

I was able to break each kingdom apart, and leave it the only grape on the vine. Then I plucked that grape. That was the genius of Astri.

Dustari and Zormite allied themselves dude to prior diplomacy. You dont understand that the Zormite Empire was a vassal under Dustari for like a year. Zyko revolted but he later died.

Then you are blind.

Answered

With your own logic you believe that Ghost Pirate shouldn't have any say in the Cresent Pirates, yes? You can not sit there and tell me if Ghost Pirate were to return that he would have -no- say in what happens in the Pirate Kingdom. That man created the kingdom, and that man stayed with the kingdom for years.

The issue was not settled, that is why there are still "Zormites" running around as Dustarian Jrs.

I can't speak for the later battles, because as a European they took place too late for myself, but earlier on myself and a few other Dustarians came to the aid of some Zormite's who were being besieged by some Astri led by Excalibur.

Then, when news reached Dustarians that you were indeed planning an attack on Zormite, those Online decided to mount a Pre-emptive strike against you. However, you wouldn't accept this and Larrien wouldn't let it go ahead anyway.

Obviously these were but small skirmishes, but it does show that Dustarians were willing to help the Zormites.

I tried to get the battles around 12pm EST So that everyone could enjoy them.

At the time Aftershock was King, at the time there was a Duke by the name of Bitty. He personally held back the Dustarian troops from assisting the Zormites.

Astri invaded Dustari around the time that Aftershock stepped down and Larrien came to power. I had known Larrien for some while as the Royal Scribe Larrien Harris, he never had a lot of leadership experience. We took advantage of that and it proved to have worked (man I would rule as a General). Then it's a little known fact, but Dustari was a major ally of Astri. Dustari actually sent troops to Astri's aid.

The only battles that counted were the single sweeping battles. When entire armies were destroyed.

Wow.. Great defence against my statements.. "I don't care what nappa says". Yipee!

Send me a forum PM with some of these links that I have done this, if you can find any.
One or two people? You would be hard pressed to find anyone in Zormite that would like nappa to join that kingdom, and same with Dustari and Zurkiba.
By that definition there is nothing different between Dustari and Forest either, except its called a kingdom of elves and has different rank titles. Its all in how you RP so buck up and try it.
I have long since accepted people won't implement zurk's bad ideas.

2k1 is dead. When people say 'Dustari' or 'Zormite' they are not talking about 2k1, obviously.

What if its more successful than ever but has slightly evolved its style of music?

Zoe does have an RP character and profile, as do myself and most of the higher ranking Dustarians. I have helped many newer members make them as well, and always discuss their characters with them, to ensure they know proper RPing.


Duh, how do Zormites come to 2k2? They do 'that' first - that is all that is referring to. Don't be such a nit picker.

It has developed over time, not to mention if the percentages of old zormites and humans shift a lot towards the humans, then obviously there will be change. As for human culture, of course they made their own contributions but they were entering a larger cultural body. You obviously don't care as you say Zormite culture is nil now anyway, so you aren't even open to the facts.

Check the stickies in the zormite forum, and search backwards for older posts in there.

The fact that they are nonsensical doesn't mean they are beyond my understanding.

Usually he posts disjointed tyrades depending on what he's upset about at any given moment, but its just rehashing long since closed arguments. I listened the first time, the second time, even the third or so I still listened and tried to reason with him, but he often posts completely irrelevant crude insults that have nothing to do with anything other than an attempt to tick off those he doesn't like. When he does say something specific its usually a repeat of the same dead arguments of a very long time ago.

We do in Dustari. Its called Roleplaying.

He can offer input and suggestions, but he does not have any dictatoral veto power to tell them all what to do and force them to do everything his way. If someone goes to a town hall meeting, makes a suggestion, gets overruled, if they insist on disrupting all further proceedings because they didn't get their way, they get arrested.

You? that entire post was talking to Zurkiba. He is rehashing long dead arguments that have been settled, so he could benefit from reading up on them.

Its called going off tag, and being out of character, something you did yourself. You are trolling if you want to pretend you are not familiar with it.

Marriage, adoption, children, new characters. In fact, Ana started out playing a rather young child RP wise for a good while.

Tell someone "Hey, you can start a new character as a cool elf" and they'll be interested. Tell someone "Hey, join zormite and have people like zurk make fish jokes constantly at your expense, reek of the smell of fish constantly, and be forced to wear the ugliest fish head you can imagine" and people will, I would say, pass. In other words: It could kill zormite.

Good for you. I became a member after I enlisted as a soldier, having little success as a blacksmith and merchant guardsmen on main. Ana was born there, Zoe and her sister were immigrants. Out of curiousity who asked how Zurkiba became a member of Dustari?

Except that Zormite isn't a race of fish people anymore. It is simply very unappealing to be a smelly ugly fish who's sole purpose appears to be a butt for your every fish fry joke.
twas why I gave one.

Depends on the percentages of course, it is a logical transition. You could of course be constructive, and if you don't like it, try to find a better means by which 2k2 zormite is a human kingdom, with its current culture. Then you can propose that to zormite, and if they happen to like it, perhaps they'd adopt it.

Time in RPGs is of course, rather hard to play out. You can say that the Astri existed for far less than a year, that all of the history between 2k1 and now is no longer than 4 years total. That would of course, mess up the age of anyone who has played a character that has aged...more than 4 years since 2k1. Darwinian evolution never factored, of course...where did you get that idea?

2k1 is dead, it has no players. It is history. And a disease or plague that effects the original zormites (they would have a different physiology than humans of course) is hardly odd ball.
Whether you like it or not, Zormite is not a race of fish people on GK. It never will be unless people IN Zormite choose to change their minds.

LOL that was not diplomacy, that was the fact you had defeated us in battle and we could not overtly support Zormite, under orders from Larrien, out of fear of retribution. Larrien was clear if we wanted to support Zormites, we could not do so in a fashion that would come to your attention.

Btw, replace grape with apple, vine with branch, Zormite with the USA, and you have the 'genius' of the famous Soviet propaganda flyers.

You were the one that said they were constantly at war and had no reason for being allied.

So far nappa has said things like "No, Zormite and Dustari are basically the same" without actually giving any reasons for it, and still hasn't tried to. If he can't explain the basis of his statement, based on logic that wouldn't pass the exact same way by replacing variables (ie, the logic would have to work for Zormite and Dustari, but not for Dustari and Forest or Dustari and Samurai, etc) then its just his opinion without any backup. His other statements are pretty much the exact same statements he has said before in previous threads that were debated ad nausem, till they were dead. That leaves the other things he often says, which amount to insults, comments about zormite having its nose stuck up dustari's ass and things to that effect, which are plain old troll-bait and pointless crude insults.

I welcome any of nappa's comments that contribute, they are just far and few between.

Ghost Pirate can have a say, but if CP doesn't want to do things his way, sorry, but GP hasn't been playing or even a member of CP in ages. If CP welcomed him back, that is fine. Take a lesson from reality: You start a corporation, it does great, you bring it to new grand heights, you resign, you move on to other things. If years later you want to be involved again in the direction of the company, you need the approval of its board of directors, and possibly a shareholder's vote.

That's life, thats fair, and without some prior contract, its the only way things can work.

I never said I don't care what you say, I said you are often saying things that are irrelevant or nonsensical, such as crude insults and declarations of your views as if they were a mandate in themselves.

I don't care about who says what, just what is said, its the only way to have a fair and open debate or evolution of a topic.

That said though, the fish argument is really dead. I don't say that as my opinion, but based on the fact that A) Zormite doesn't want it B) Zormite has control of its own RP destiny. C) Former members, no matter how involved with the early development, can't dictate down the road how things are to be run - they can only make suggestions, and should, if their suggestions are not approved, be civil about it.