You are telling me you do not find the server RC rules un-realistic? Give me an example of why these are needed. I am sure I can tell you why they aren't.

I dont know if its too much to ask, but in the meantime could you come up with points that prove your point? I understand you have a job to do, but an arugument with the reason "because i said" which is what the pwa are saying with the reason we need to follow the rules, is really not good at all.

Yes i understand security, but if its people you can trust, you definatly know, then security should not be an issue, plus IP Locked RCs :\

X.x.....

Whoever lets you rent a house can set any rules before hand. If they limit people allowed in at one time you can get evicted for not complying with the rules. (or in this case terms of agreement and such) You agree to their rules. And if they edit them you have to abide by it because of the little part that says rules subject to change without notice. (or something similar)

Renting is far more different than owning.

For valid reasons a rule may be changed but nothing here posted has any validty for changing anything.

Haha I believe MG is 'pwned'. But seriously calm down. There is like 5 new post every 30 seconds. Last time I counted. Mr. Refresh button is dead. :(

I agree with the rules, and don't think they are too restrictive...
I understand people's points that people should be allowed to run the server how they wish, and if it all gets deleted, then oh well, it's their loss... I mean, both sides have a good argument.

Anyways, having people upload things into a folder, then having high staff move it into the main folder allows for 2 things.
1. the high staff can review the work, before it goes online
2. the lower staff has no way of deleting things off the server, besides what is in their own folder.

I set things up on EoA like this months before these rules came out.... (for all new/lower staff)

True, but you have rights too. You see, if they take too many things, they are called 'slum-lords.' Obviously graal is not near this, but inching closer.

That is your opinion and it is in no way illegal.

You see, I couldn't agree with you more. For your server, this system works fine. You have a select few that you trust with high RC's, and the rest get folders for safety. But as you posted, other people are different. What if they are IRL friends? What if...What if....there are so many, and you can not pretend to know ever situation, so making these rules for something we paid for is stupid.

This is like us buying our Gold accounts, and then going on GK, and they say: Sorry guys, starting now, you can no longer have over 1k. You would be like, WTF?

Ok how about 2 servers last week alone were deleted by "trusted" lv4 RCs, who loses here? Players and the renters alike. Unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world and limits have to be set to "try" to safeguard the hard work being done on these servers. No matter what we do it won't suit everyone and compromises in the rules from the very begining were done and I don't rule out the possiblity of change again BUT as it is now these are the rules. Untill rock solid reasons to change them are provided and thus far there aren't any that haven't already been taken into consideration.

Correct. But isn't graal supposed to try to appeal to the customer? Hence why places that have 'slum-lords' are usually in lower class communities, and cost less to rent.

Your "what ifs" are wants and opinions. The problem is this is how it is set up and it is not hard to follow. Graal has a responsiblity to everyone not just you.

This is much better then your prior arugument :)

I am refrencing "trusted" as you people you know for certain, not people you just talk to at random times. If people wanted their work safeguarded it should be common knowledge to take steps to preserve it.

Then the people who did this were *****s. They gave a high level RC to the wrong people, and, on top of it, didn't have a backup. You can obviously see exceptions to these rules.

Are you listening to the others in this post as well? And I am not even argueing for me. I bought a server, it went nowhere, just sitting there making graal money right now. The 'what ifs' are to show the exceptions. And I am talking about Graal's responsibility to everyone.

So people who are not as "bright" as you should be punished? That doesnt sound like it is looking good to that consumer. People want to know stuff is safe also.

How do these rules prevent someone with level 4 RC from deleting everything on the server?

Then why dont they take the measures to protect their material themselves? This is the same situation, why punish the entire customer base for some peoples poor decisions

It is ignorant to not have a backup of your server at all times, no? Even if you are the only one who can 'delete' it. And how are they being punished, and when did I say I was 'brighter' than them? They just made a *****ic decision.

Everyone does not think and act the way you do. I dissagree with you. So obviously you are not taking about graals responsibility to me.

Really how can you say this not knowing even who they are? Nemsis was "trusted" and yet he did damage to Graal so anyone can be able to do this. Trusting someone on the net is a "ify" thing and you really don't know that person at all, just what they want you to see. You can't always blame the Manager because this happens because no one really knows anyone on Graal unless they know them in real life.

This is obvious. And I have never flamed you, or even so much have said you are incorrect. What are you talking about graal's responsibility to you? Making these rules, are graal's responsibility to you?

Even people you know in real life can do it. Being Human makes everything iffy in a way.

It doesn't , it just lessens the opportunity of it being done in greater numbers.





I am however enjoying this "debate" over the rules except maybe Mykel because his post are ruled by desire and not by any supporting material to aid his view.

I have never seen the Nemesis situation fully resolved, thus i dont believe its a valid arugument. Some things he did were wrong. Like you said, trusting people on the net is a "fly" thing, so when then, if you have a number of IRL people you truely trust, should you not be able to do with them as you please?

No, but being that I play graal and own a PW I am one of "everyone".

True. Some people belive that noone can be fully trusted. But even in the Nemesis case, it did no permenant damage, and in cases such as Riot, he got 3 weeks of gold out of it. Graal had a backup plan. Who is to say that 2 of those 3 aren't going to delete the server? And if people are giving away level 4 RC's like candy, and arent backing things up, what they get is a shame, but a result of the effort they put in.

What Nem did was predictable, and if Stefan and Unix knew him well enough, they would have seen that coming from a mile away...
Besides, Nem didn't do much damage... he just deleted a few accounts of people he didn't like... he could have done much more than that, but he didn't. And those people's accounts were reinstated like the next day...

oh, but I do agree that sometimes people you trust can just go nuts.,... especially when they quit graal, and never plan on coming back... they feel like they can just do whatever, and it wouldn't matter (to them)

I never knew nem and my acct got deleted and it took weeks for me to get it back.
Not permanent but it wasnt good. And he may not have done damage to graal directly but, business wise it reflects badly.

I agree with you..;)

I play graal just to see things like that happen, you dont get nearly as much raw emotion in other games. Buisness wise i dont think it did any damage at all

In my opinion it shows how responsible Graal is.
They keep logs on major event like these, and can restore backups in little time. 90% of the accounts deleted were restored within 48 hours.

strange, he told me he was just skimming the account list, and deleting people he didn't like
o.o
because I remember, most of the people complaining were people he didn't like...

and I thought they resolved it quickly... maybe my memory is going
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anyways, what he did was still predictable.... he talked about not caring about graal, and quitting graal for a long time before that... he used to always complain about his job, and how he was over worked... other people got $ for their work, but he got nothing but complaints, and he often asked himself why he kept his job...

I mean, it wasn't hard to see that something like that was building up....

Plus the whole Kish thing...

It just shows that it can happen. And the possibility is not good for business.

And they did show much responsibility. Some things are beyond our control. But we can do our best to minimize the possibility. (Which is the main reason for the RC restrictions)

That had no place on Graal , they both were of legal age and what they did or did not do is nobodys business. What they did wasn't on the Game but on Aim so just drop that.:\

I dont think using the Nem situation as a validity for the RC rights is good at all. The situation was an extream in global RC Power, limiting local RC power will only protect the local level from an earthquake, which wouldnt even show on the global levels Radar.

Yes, but as I said, some servers are an exception. :rolleyes:

hahah someone made a funny.:p

And helping on the local level is just as important. Helping everyone especially to such individual standards would make it look so much better than only helping the ones with the right logic to failsafe their own stuff.