all you suckers should just buy a VIP if you want to make guilds... they aren't going to change it because a few people aren't happy about it.... at least finaly my VIP account has some worth :D

True True....They just have a problem with it because they parents/guardian wont purchase it x.x

yea, I understand that they can't but I dont care lol... I get something they dont and that's why I got VIP ;)

It isn't that I haven't the money to purchase a VIP membership, but it's the principal of the thing. ... *ahem* *cough cough money order/cashiers check cough cough* ahem* x.x

I'm pretty surprised so many people are argueing... Seems like a useless debate. There are too many guilds currently, and most of them should be wiped out. I wouldn't mind if the Guild Admin would wash out all the suspended guilds (for over a week)... I read somewhere that if your guild is inactive or suspended for a whole week, the guild would then be abolished. For those of your pests that still want your own guild, here's how to do it (I haven't made a guild in a whole year, but I think it still works this way): You get a VIP member to create a guild, and then they pass on the Guild Ownership to the Gold Account.

I found this out because I wanted out of my guild, so I passed it on to a friend, who then got promoted, and I demounted. I found this wierd seeing when I did it, the removing guild members wasn't allowed yet, and the guild started losing it's activity, and I couldn't give a damn about it. I hope they repaired that, anyhow, if you still aren't happy with the way Gold is, then you got a real problem. VIP members have paid a lot more for little to no extra features, I'm guessing that it is unreasonible to actually complain when all they are doing is trying to make everyone get what they paid for. Gold Members can now go on Gold Servers, I think that is plenty. They have quality staff there, which aren't corrupt (As much as you think they are, they have been in graal for over two years each one of them, and they earned thier trust in the lack of corruptness and good judgements on thier part), which work to offer you what other servers don't, and I think they succeeded in doing a descent server.

Sorry for the long post, I don't like spamming or anything, just that when I have to say something, I say it all at once and that's it, that's all.

Taking away features from gold and giving them to VIP? You don't want to end up doing exactly what EZBoard did, do you? That isn't a very good idea. People will start (and some already have) complaining and protesting, and, eventually, quit.

and if you dont offe something to VIP people, they wont upgrade... they will lose money no matter how it's put...

I have already explained why this will stay to VIP only so i close the thread.