Yeah, i'm eager to know too :D

Cant realy vote since me neither dont know what she has done..

I liked what Kaimetsu did :(.

Maybe she was working with the returners? ;)

All I can say is I like Nyts siggy. :cool:

You're Italian? haha explains. Us italians do have a bad temper D:

The story is that Nemesis would get girls to call him by using his Game Master title, then would try to have phone sex with them. When Knightress found out that Nemesis did this to a close Graal friend of hers, she called up Nemesis 3 way with some other person who recorded it. It was then posted on a website by that other person and Kishara found out. Then Kish dumped Nemesis and Nemesis deleted accounts.

Knightress posted a thread earlier trying to clear up rumors (for most people have been harassing her since the Nemesis situation and beforehand), but it was closed because it turned into a fight thread.

Some parts of the story people tend to leave out:
-Nem and Knightress had been talking on the phone together for at least 7 months before hand, and were (from what Nem told me) close friends. It wasn't like he was having phone sex with a stranger.
-I was friends with both Nem, and Kish... after what happened, they were together, and she was actually helping Nem delete accounts, and cause havoc... they might have broken up later, I dunno, I haven't touched that subject with either of them since =x

anyways, I didn't think her post before was even about this, was it? I thought it was about the 'reputation' she had gotten, or something... and some of the things I have heard, would be that she cybored boys; got boys to do things for her, by buying them p2p accounts; asking for pics of kids, and sending pics to others... getting kinda personal with children, and asking a lot of r/l questions...

I've heard many people say "if you want a p2p, just cybor knightress" (just as an example of the things people would say)

anyways, this was the rumor, since people asked what it was... Knightress says that Moonie called her a 'Child Molester' or something.. not too clear on that.

I know that I have heard from several of my friends that they have felt uncomphortable talking to her, and they didn;t think it was right that she would hit on them... some people ask "well, where are these people now?" and the answer to that is, they either quit graal, or are too embarrissed (sp?) to talk about it.

What I think is, that Knightress might do some things that SHE sees nothing wrong with... or maybe RolePlays with boys... but to the boy, things are different :\

(note: it was stated a few times that maybe she should have just not said anything, since most players on graal know nothing about this reputation, yet now they do... and I agree with that... I think that maybe 1/4 of the people on these forums knew anything about it before this, and now they'll mostly all know... I don't see how that is helping much)

All I can say is he who is with out sin cast the first stone.

Personally I dont care oh no some one was talking dirty. Please people obsess over the stupidest things. If this is some major deal for you then you really need to get out more.(not referring to any one in general just commenting to no one in particular)

As I posted in the other thread I felt rather than to clear anything up it may have the reverse effect and do more harm than good. My personal feelings are the more a person protest something the more they look guilty whether they are or not. I agree with ETD on the last portion of his post , the rest I will not comment on. It is not my intent to flame and why I will not in this thread as well as I did not in the other thread take any side on this one way or another publicly, privately I do have an opinion but I won't discuss that at any time in this Forum. I have never in any Forum here or the Npulse Forums or any Forum on the web said anything about Knightress and her activities or even if she had any alledged actitives with kids. That is something I have never talked about publicly nor will I ever. What I talk about privately is nobodys business as well as anyone here private conversations are just that private and nobody elses business. Unless of course a law is broken but then again the burden of proof is on the accuser that such a law was indeed broken.


Private note to ETD: Your killing me Eric do you know how much it gripes my butt to agree with you on something? :p


Stupid I agree if it is with young adults of the same age to obsess over it but if the other party is an adult then it becomes serious not only here but in the eyes of the law in the USA. A school teacher was just recently put in prison for an inappropriate relationship with a 15 year old boy (she was 23). To top it off she had an adult boyfriend and is how it got blown out into the public by him threatening the boy with bodly harm if he persisted in the relationship. The women was obsessed with the boy to the extent she moved into the same apt complex as the boys parents. Things like this are happening more and more each day and as a parent it concerns me greatly.:(

Hi, if you have phone sex with someone you haven't actually met before, they're a stranger.

You Sir have a valid point there. ;)

You also agreed with me when I massed something on n-pulse the other day
=o

anyways, to Lance... Nemesis had never met Kish... so does that make his relationship with her pointless? A point was brought up that Nem did something with Knightress, while he was with Kish, but he had never even met either of them... I guess my point is that if you don't count relationships, unless you actually meet a person, then Nem would have been single, and it would have been fine for him to have done something with Knightress, since they were both of age. My point in saying that they had talked for at least 7 months before that on the phone, was to say that it wouldn't have been the same at all as some little graal girl calling him, and then him talking her into something... Knightress was trying to say that that conversation proved that he did things to girls on graal, when infact it doesn't at all, the situation is totally different, and should not have been held against him.

anyways, that's off-topic, back on-topic, I hope that knightress isn't mad at me for explaining to the people what her 'reputation' was... she seemed to have wanted to go public about trying to dismiss the rumors... but if you're going to deny something, you first have to explain what it is you are denying.

Even if what you say about Nem and her being friends, he did it to one of her friends, she got pissed, she did something.

Well, Nem was a bad boy, so she might not be so bad...

If you make a post intended purely to compare one person favorably against another then it is indeed an attack. It would be like me praising somebody for competently managing a popular server, and then saying it's good to see them doing what you could not.

Personally, I'd be interested in knowing the real reason for the thread's deletion.

The whole entire thread broke so many rules, and was nothing but a huge flame war, as Tyhm said, it was over the top....it should have been deleted when it was started
Is there any proof to that? We are talking about 1 girl, I never asked before, but I would like to know if there was any proof. Knightress's whole beef with me was that I had no proof, but when many people tell me the same things, I kinda have to start to wonder, and become concerned. I'm not saying it didnt happen, or that it wasnt possible, I am just asking if there was any proof.
This whole mess has gotten me banned on Archaic which I am pissed about because I have never been banned or jailed anywhere, and I had been watching the progress of that server, because I believe it to be promising. I have done nothing wrong, and I am being attacked. :grrr:

That's life
=X
(not to be mean or anything)
you can do everything right, and there'll still be people there to try to bring you down... you just have to know what fights are worth fighting
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sometimes it's better to just let things go, even if you don't agree with them...

and to reply to Emily, when a friend came to me, complaining about something Knightress did, would it have been right for me to try to do the same thing to her, that she did to Nem? no, i just tried to help my friend, and didn't get involved. People can fight their own fights.
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Sucks when the shoe is on the other foot, don't it?

The shoe isnt on the other foot, trust me

ETD, dont misunderstand my post. I have a problem being banned for no reason, just like anyone else who does. I was banned because I am not welcome there becaue I didnt publically apologize to blookat for something, I dont even know what. He said in that thread that was deleted that if I didnt apologize, I wasnt welcome there....well, I pay to play wherever the hell I want to play as long as I follow the graal rules.
That thread, in my opinion might have been started partly in hopes to clear her name, but it was also to try and drag me through the mud, which didnt work....it just got me banned for no reason out of desperation.

Dont expect me to sit quietly in a corner and do nothing, it wont happen.

This post is not intended to start any arguements, nor are any of my posts, it is simply an explination

I dont whine, I fight back ;)

It is indeed on the other foot, whether you see it that way or not.

Your husband might look down on you, according to his 'personal' view on the subject of protesting something, you are making yourself look guilty:

That might be one reason, but I guarantee that it's not the main one.

I really really wanted to read everything I missed while I was at work :( :( :( It should have just been closed. :( :( :(

Screw you, okay? I moved a flamewar to the trash can when you didn't. Do your job or shut up. Freaking tired of people trying to insinuate I'm a sympathiser.

Dont trust anybody on Graal Online.

Meh. I was apathetic towards the issue before, and I still am. However, if Nemesis did do such things as was mentioned, then I am glad that he's not in this community any longer. There's my two cents.

That's not actually my suspicion. In this matter I think you were just a tool, in both the literal and nonliteral sense.

Someone manipulated me into doing my job, and following the rules? What kind of world are we in that you have to be manipulated into doing your job?

Deletion wasn't necessary, and I suspect that you know that. I also suspect that you deleted it primarily because somebody asked you to, and I suspect that he/she requested it for selfish reasons.

Oh wow that was muture..

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I had an idea though, I wanna start a big GFX, (1280x960.. Like a Background I guess) based around that thread.. It can be like a big room with everyone in the Thread just going at it XP

Forum Royal Rumbles.

*Personally thought the thread was doing some good.. The Moon's showed their true colours, as did everyone else involved*

Sometimes... Insults might be required to make progress...



And Thym who the heck are you? I've been on Graal a long time but I don't think I've ever once heard of you O-o

Tyhm is global, i think he took the postion after Nemesis as GM or some kind of support, he also worked for classic some time

*chuckles* Well, if you haven't heard of me I must be a newbie.

Trashcan!=deleted. I archived it in the mod forums in case it needs to be referenced. And in case you're insinuating what I think you're insinuating, I actually moved it before I was asked - I stumbled across the thread and saw the requests to delete it scattered across the first three pages amongst the personal assaults and took that to be an omen.

Think about it Kai. It's not gonna be any better if you DON'T follow the rules if someone tells you to; they can use reverse psychology to make you break any rule they want, then where are we?

So threads are deleted (or trashed) if people request them to be even though the thread may be serving a legitimate purpose? That doesn't make much sense to me. The majority isn't always right.

Read what he said, it was also full of insults, it served no purpose at all
I think you accidently put the wrong name in there, I have acted no differently then I have for several years on this forum. The only thing that thread did was put Knightress in the spotlight, and put myself on defense against attacks (which everyone here knows that I do)...why did you avoid the whole banning issue?
Deletion was absolutely necessary, there was nothing useful in that thread at all, nothing but flames and lies, as for who requested that it be closed...I think several people did, but I dont believe that is why it was closed

Lies are hard to establish. Insults I'll agree to though.

lol, sorry...I agree

They're effectively the same in this situation.

The mere fact that you were asked confirms half of my suspicions. Now I'm wondering why somebody would ask for something that had already occured...

Wha? You think I refused to delete it simply because people asked me to? No. I refused because I didn't think it should be deleted. If you're going to invent groundless accusations, at least try to make them vaguely believable.

And if you do wanna talk about the users controlling the moderators, how about your policy of doing pretty much whatever they tell you to do? You know how many times I've had to tell people that the 'two requests' thing is not universal?

I had to laugh when Bloo asked who Tyhm was. I mean he was ancient when I started in around december of 2000. As for taking over Nemesis's job I'm about 90% sure Tyhm was global before the whole thing with Nemesis. Not that it really matters but thinking of Tyhm as a newbie kills me. :p


Also MoonGod mentioned something about adults with 15 year old kids? I was under the impression that Nemesis was 18?

Unless you're the Tyhm back from Providence (Like... 2 years ago)

I worked as a LAT for that server... It never went anywhere, and I was a horrible LAT then.. And I had no idea how GFX were even made, I didn't have PSP and Paint was too frustrating (PSP, mostly is easy to use because I can use the 3rd mouse button/wheel to zoom in and out. While Paint, requires several clicks and selections)

22 (i could be wrong i guess 0.o' but def. not 18)

and the rumor was that knightress did things with boys... she's 35, and people were speaking of a general age of 15