"elven" would have been the only kingdom i would ever consider leading,
Inra aka dustari i would never want to lead, along with senbatsu aka samurai, becuase they just don't fit my role playing style.
anyways
Good Luck Kyden :]

Not really. Even in the four kingdom system, it was really just a war between Dustari and Zormite. Pirate Crew was small. Samurai was all but totally dead.

Orc's mentality was anarchist really, it didn't really have any rules, no real set-up, there was no prince, no princess, no emper, no empria, not even a king or queen. Just Brad. It had extreme simplification, in RP events it was just "I'm over here, you're over there, you've got an Inra tag on, I've got an Orc tag on, I'm going to kill you." That made it very, very appealing to PKers, who were the best fighters, which is why Orc had all the "skilled members". In this system, the skilled members would be evenly distributed (which is good), but numbers would mean a great deal more.

i just joined orc becuase i liked the idea, i'm not nessisarly a PKer.
eventhough the style of roll playing you did was basicly what you just described.
karakaze 4 lyf :(

Blah. why not have two kingdoms if you're so worried about members? :-\

Regrets, regrets. But at the same time...apathy.

Hmmm, Googi should certainly be a kingdom leader.

I don't think he wants to be. You can't force an unwilling person to lead a kingdom.

Still though.. I never really thought the Idea of a Fish kingdom was.. Appealing. RP back then wasn't so great as we would want to think it was, Mostly it Was Dustari and it's internal RP and yeah there was the occasion of an external RP but it was never fun due to the whole "Lock em out and laugh" bit.

Just because they had a simple form of Government doesn't make them Anarchists. Besides what else do you think RP with other kingdoms is? It's always been pretty simple like that because if you stopped and tried to RP during a Battle you would normally get killed by the Unexperienced New recruit of the oposing kingdom who thinks shooting Fire balls everywhere is Role playing.
The only real way to even RP on Graal is if you were to form groups of Dedicated RPers or find a way to train new members of each kingdom on HOW to rp.

(Btw that doesn't mean make sure they know what IC and OOC is -_-)

Why not like a fish-based kingdom? It encourages people to use their imagination as well as conform to some special kingdom-related rules.

Honestly, if people want Zionus, I would say give it to them over Senbotsu. Samurai/Senbotsu has never been really big. I say make a vote.

Yeah well I'm planning on completly remaking the Senbotsu Kingdom levels. The old ones really.. Suck.
I will also be moving Farming to the Swamp area right next to Senbotsu.

But if alot of people still want to bring Zionus back in Senbotsu's Place.. Maybe I can figure something out. (Help would be appreciated)

If you make the entrance to the neo-elven levels the same as that of Tyelia, I will personally tie a 5 ton boulder to your legs and throw you into the deepest point of water I can find...

Just leave Tyealia alone! If you were dead, would you like someone raping your body?

(R.I.P. Tyealia)

Please read my "Old Kingdom Levels" Thread...

It's not really complicated.

You put a new leader in charge of Zionus.
You don't put a new leader in charge of Senbotsu.

Okay, ass, I'm talking about Remaking Zionus.
New Storyline
New People
New LEVELS

If you're going to have an Elven Kingdom at least name it something Elvish. I mean, come on, that's one of the reasons we tried to rename "Samurai" to "Santerrain". It sounds foolish.

"Hail, traveler!"
"Where are you traveling from, sir?"
"Why, Elven!"

Sorry. Stupid.

"Hail, traveler!"
"Where are you traveling from, sir?"
"Why the lands of the Elven!"

Either way it works, Stupid.

Yes but they arn't using the Tyealian levels....that was the first thing i said when i heard about elven comming back because i was a leader of Tyealia and i dont want its levels to be ripped off.

That's why Samurai recently became Senbotsu. It's Japanese for "death in battle" and seems fitting enough.

You can all go straight to hell :mad:

so basicly the name senbatsu is saying
when we go to battle we die?

No, it doesn't work either way. In your way, sure, it works, I won't debate that. But the way I said it, it looks terrible.

Naming a Kingdom after its people = NO.

That'd be like renaming Dustari and calling it "Human" and calling Zormite "Fish", and Samurai "Other Human". Come on, it's lame.

OKAY.

First off, ELVEN WAS A BAD BAD KINGDOM.
Second, why the hell is someone renaming Samurai to death in battle?

I created the Samurai kingdom and its official name is Santerrain, after the town it is based in. I don't see why you would use Senbotsu instead of Santerrain or just Samurai.

Three: What is Zionus?!!?!?!

They deleted all the Kingdoms and remade them with new names, dooder.

So that they didn't "compete" with 2k2.

I hate you guys so much... :grrr: :grrr: :mad:

It's because Stefan wouldn't let us use the old kingdom names.

So he waited a year to tell people that?

That's pretty slick, considering he never said anything about not using those names in the year or so interim after 2k2 came out and during when I was manager.

It wasn't as much that Stefan forbade it as that I didn't want to mess up the evident storyline, which COULD get Stefan ticked. That's the problem with roleplaying, half the time things don't fit together, and you get a headache.

Well unless you can help me figure out another decent name for Elven I'll keep as is, since right now it's not bringing anyone harm.

Because at the time that was the best name Me and Jeff could think of.

Well I'd like to inform you that I will be removing Senbotsu AND Zionus. I will be replacing Senbotsu with a NEW kingdom one with a totally different theme from the others, A desert Themed Kingdom. No not KT nothing like it, Instead more of like a Babylonian(SP?) Kingdom which will have a Egyptian-Hanging Garden's Feel to it. I know it sounds all jumbled together but I can't really get the picture I have in my head for it clearer than that.

Hope that tickles your Fancy ;)

Well, I'll try to make some...

Ertnima
Tidretni
Rostre
Comwos
Nethas
Nitanbra
Duagria
Uesetmu
Nashias

Since we're suggesting names
Uwlthen
Bier'tun
Llennica
Kienra
Nier'lan

Amras will have to choose one of those names due to the fact that I don't mind the name Elven but I also wouldn't mind changing it. So somehow contact him and tell him to check these names out.

Sounds good to me.

Babylonian, Mespotamian-ish.. same thing. And the building you are refering to are the Hanging Gardens Of Babylon.

Glad you took my idea and put it to use :)

Gah when I said Egytpian-Hanging Garden's I meant An egyptian and a Hanging Garden's feel to it, not saying The Hanging Gardens is part of Egypt lol =x

You know it would be such a big help if you could send me the KT Desert tileset :(

(That's if you still have them o.-)

I'd be the happiest man on earth right now if I had even one of the many tilesets I've made.


:(
If anyone has ANY graphics I've made, PLEASE contact me via PM.

Oh well in that case I'll ask around amongst the staff if they had backed it up as long as you give me permission to use the tilesets for the new kingdom.

I'm not going to give anyone permission to do anything just yet, but I'd appreciate if you asked around.

Tseng said he might have them on his HD and Jeff said he does have them somewhere he just has to find them. If you want me to remove senbotsu (Samurai or sanaterrian whatever you wanna call it) and replace it with this new kingdom at least you can do is give me permission. If not than I'll just revamp the levels of the old Senbotsu (My last resort to a third kingdom..)

I most likely have it, but I would need a little help with filenames. :I