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IOwnChicken 06-08-2002 10:27 PM
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What if someone was transferring gralats between 2 of their own accounts? Or multiple accounts, would that result in a bann?

thesaiyan 06-09-2002 01:01 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by mastervampire
Yea that's right, you can always find a way around things, that's how things are made. He'll be back, shortly, even an idiot can find a way to be unbanned, or a way around it.

-Brett
Lol, he is already back. I just saw him about 45 minutes ago. :D

Saga2001 06-09-2002 04:19 PM
That is NOTHING! I know people who have hacked accounts, who used trojans to get them, who made the trojans themselfs, who used VB to make them, and VB6 is hacked, lol. Imagine the trouble. Police. :) woot.

VampiricTutorNewHD 06-09-2002 05:25 PM
I know something of this sort of topic.

Firstly, the police won't give a damn. They don't have the time to go around looking for trojan kiddies trying to nail one. Even if they did, they would constantly have to go through jurisdictions in order to catch 1 person who screwed over a gaming community.

The FBI won't give a damn either. With all the attention drawn to it right now, and the fact that usually the FBI only goes after people that send out code Malicious virii(they destroy computers and multiply at an alarming rate, or destroy data and multiply at an alarming rate), it's not too likely that even if you sent in the IPs that they would care.

I'm not saying I approve of what they do. I would be mad as hell if someone hacked my account. I love my p2p. But the police can't do anything because they can't even lead an investigation in their own state due to county restrictions, and the FBI has bigger fish to fry.

Zurkiba 06-09-2002 09:11 PM
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Originally posted by Saga2001
That is NOTHING! I know people who have hacked accounts, who used trojans to get them, who made the trojans themselfs, who used VB to make them, and VB6 is hacked, lol. Imagine the trouble. Police. :) woot.
That's nothing? You know people who use Trojans? About every 11 year old use Trojans.

You think making a Trojan is special and god-like? I know people who've made their own client. There is no real point to hacking anyway :o/... you dont need any skills to do it, unless you dont do it the simple way. In fact Hacking tools used to be advertised on TV.

Minoc 06-09-2002 10:33 PM
Yeah, gaining access to remote computers isn't very hard at all..
-- Shayde

-SLaG- 06-10-2002 02:09 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Saga2001
That is NOTHING! I know people who have hacked accounts, who used trojans to get them, who made the trojans themselfs, who used VB to make them, and VB6 is hacked, lol. Imagine the trouble. Police. :) woot.

First off police dont handle computers, Secondly the fbi would only care if a company was attacked not people. So end it and dont talk about sh*t that hasnt happend to you.

Saga2001 06-10-2002 01:10 PM
AHHHHHHH!!
Everyone got me wrong, lol!
I was kinda being sarcastic, of corse police wouldn't do anything, the only reason the FBI would flinch is if the person was known for something else. I know trojans aren't "godlike" coders, if I were interested in getting banned, I would code a trojan in VB in 2 minutes(APIs to gain access to registry and e-mail out passwd). However my point was that if these people got in any trouble, the trojans disrupting one p2p account, would probably be the smallest of the "charges". Anyways, thing what you like. ;) I am here to code npcs, not to play with trojans...:rolleyes:

-SLaG- 06-10-2002 07:49 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Saga2001
AHHHHHHH!!
Everyone got me wrong, lol!
I was kinda being sarcastic, of corse police wouldn't do anything, the only reason the FBI would flinch is if the person was known for something else. I know trojans aren't "godlike" coders, if I were interested in getting banned, I would code a trojan in VB in 2 minutes(APIs to gain access to registry and e-mail out passwd). However my point was that if these people got in any trouble, the trojans disrupting one p2p account, would probably be the smallest of the "charges". Anyways, thing what you like. ;) I am here to code npcs, not to play with trojans...:rolleyes:
You dont need a prior for the fbi to mess with you. When i messed with this program called the palace from communities.com(Before they went bankrupt) I changed their program around so that their popup add wouldnt come up and annoy users and then I gave it out. 2 days later fbi was at my house serving me with papers for 600k I laughed ofcourse =) make a long story short I had deleted all evidence off my comp and they had nothing to go on so they dropped charges and all they managed to do was use a big fat check on their lawyer.

Warcaptain 06-10-2002 08:06 PM
Re: About peoples using trojans
 
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Originally posted by unixmad
- Starting today I will personally trace all peoples that use Trojans to hack other peoples accounts, we have all trace of gralat transfer then it will not be hard to known who have stolen gralats.

After loging enough informations i will:

1) Delete all accounts that have been used for hacking
2) Globaly ban this peoples and trust me that you will have a hard time to come back.
3) Send all traces to police, sending Virus to peoples is a crime for a lot of american state.

You have been warned !

Unix.
start with firing your asst guild admin, who hacked and deleted over 4 servers.. and laughs at you and stefan behind your back because of your lack of security and his ability to easily get such jobs.

Neonight 06-10-2002 09:44 PM
Re: About peoples using trojans
 
Quote:
Originally posted by unixmad
- Starting today I will personally trace all peoples that use Trojans to hack other peoples accounts, we have all trace of gralat transfer then it will not be hard to known who have stolen gralats.

After loging enough informations i will:

1) Delete all accounts that have been used for hacking
2) Globaly ban this peoples and trust me that you will have a hard time to come back.
3) Send all traces to police, sending Virus to peoples is a crime for a lot of american state.

You have been warned !

Unix.
*cough* Dabura.

Anyway, it's a national crime. You won't have to worry about a few states, it's all of us.

You also might want to check King Arthur. He was telling me he used Graal Trainer to hack hats or something like that. He had a LOT of hats, and this was when Graal2001 was new... So..

VampiricTutorNewHD 06-10-2002 11:27 PM
This was about trojans, not about newbie trainers.

-SLaG- 06-11-2002 02:24 AM
Re: Re: About peoples using trojans
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Neonight


*cough* Dabura.

Anyway, it's a national crime. You won't have to worry about a few states, it's all of us.

You also might want to check King Arthur. He was telling me he used Graal Trainer to hack hats or something like that. He had a LOT of hats, and this was when Graal2001 was new... So..
Theres only a crime with proof, Seeing as to how these things didnt happen on the graal computers/servers the only way that this could become illegal is if the people whom had the trojans sent to them were contacted and then they had the isp or ip of the person/persons that sent them this. Then and only then can the fbi get involved.

And obviously you do not know the difference between a trojan and a trainer, So please stay out of this thread.

Neonight 06-11-2002 03:31 AM
Re: Re: Re: About peoples using trojans
 
Quote:
Originally posted by -SLaG-


Theres only a crime with proof, Seeing as to how these things didnt happen on the graal computers/servers the only way that this could become illegal is if the people whom had the trojans sent to them were contacted and then they had the isp or ip of the person/persons that sent them this. Then and only then can the fbi get involved.

And obviously you do not know the difference between a trojan and a trainer, So please stay out of this thread.

1.) May I ask who you are?

2.) I know plenty between the two. I have no clue why you quoted me, because what you stated had nothing in similarities to my post whatsoever. I think you may have quoted the wrong person?

Neonight 06-11-2002 03:32 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by VampiricTutorNewHD
This was about trojans, not about newbie trainers.

I simply added he uses trainers.
King Arthur has taken down servers by FTP, which, yes, he probably DID get the passwords from asking, but either way, I know he's hacked an account or two.

-SLaG- 06-11-2002 11:32 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Neonight



I simply added he uses trainers.
King Arthur has taken down servers by FTP, which, yes, he probably DID get the passwords from asking, but either way, I know he's hacked an account or two.
God shut up.

Ne0 06-11-2002 01:22 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by VampiricTutorNewHD
I know something of this sort of topic.

Firstly, the police won't give a damn. They don't have the time to go around looking for trojan kiddies trying to nail one. Even if they did, they would constantly have to go through jurisdictions in order to catch 1 person who screwed over a gaming community.

The FBI won't give a damn either. With all the attention drawn to it right now, and the fact that usually the FBI only goes after people that send out code Malicious virii(they destroy computers and multiply at an alarming rate, or destroy data and multiply at an alarming rate), it's not too likely that even if you sent in the IPs that they would care.

I'm not saying I approve of what they do. I would be mad as hell if someone hacked my account. I love my p2p. But the police can't do anything because they can't even lead an investigation in their own state due to county restrictions, and the FBI has bigger fish to fry.
Wrong chief, the FBI will do lots of **** now, excuse my language. Hacking is now considered terrorism, trojan or not the department of justice is on your ass, excuse my language again :)

PS my Ne0BDP forum account = screwed up so i have to use this one now o.o

Zurkiba 06-11-2002 09:37 PM
This topic has turned into the cry baby post and false information post.

You dont know if those people have hacked... I know Dabura personally and he has never hacked anything.

Dont whine about staff people... because of all people Constinople is Asst. Headmaster on 2k2. He has hacked, he has scammed, he has used trainers, he's even been banned. On 2k2 he PKs with his tag on.

All of that is true... but I dont whine about it.
"Whaa he shouldn't be staff because he used a trainer"

This post should be locked -_-... since now people are blaming others for some bs.


Quote:
Originally posted by Saga2001
AHHHHHHH!!
Everyone got me wrong, lol!
I was kinda being sarcastic, of corse police wouldn't do anything, the only reason the FBI would flinch is if the person was known for something else. I know trojans aren't "godlike" coders, if I were interested in getting banned, I would code a trojan in VB in 2 minutes(APIs to gain access to registry and e-mail out passwd). However my point was that if these people got in any trouble, the trojans disrupting one p2p account, would probably be the smallest of the "charges". Anyways, thing what you like. ;) I am here to code npcs, not to play with trojans...:rolleyes:
Just shut up while your ahead.

VampiricTutorNewHD 06-11-2002 09:48 PM
Terrorism against a NON-US ENTITY! Oh wow. The FBI doesn't care if some kiddy gets a password to a gaming account. The FBI is looking for people who are plotting to blow stuff up, not for people who get accounts off graal.

-SLaG- 06-12-2002 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by Ne0


Wrong chief, the FBI will do lots of **** now, excuse my language. Hacking is now considered terrorism, trojan or not the department of justice is on your ass, excuse my language again :)

PS my Ne0BDP forum account = screwed up so i have to use this one now o.o
Attacks on pc's (Personal computers) are not terrorist attacks.
Attacking on company computers/systems are.
You people do not realize that if your comp is trojaned its up to you to report it, Not a company whose service you just use. 1 has nothing to do with the other, It's like you downloading a virus from a website and blaming it on aol. Just because you connect to the net with them doesnt mean its their fault.

-SLaG- 06-12-2002 10:21 AM
Re: Re: Re: Re: About peoples using trojans
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Neonight



1.) May I ask who you are?

2.) I know plenty between the two. I have no clue why you quoted me, because what you stated had nothing in similarities to my post whatsoever. I think you may have quoted the wrong person?
1.) Im god

2.) You know nothing how the hell can you compare a trojan (which is a server sent to people who stupidly run which opens a port so the other person can tcp/ip to it) with a trainer which is a program not a virus whose binary coding is either changed or exploited. (Not a virus *******)

Hell I'll add a 3

3.) you are probly a 13 year old pimply faced kid thats extent of computer knowledge is "Start" and "Connect" plus the little tid bits you pick up here and there. Im not trying to make fun of you, you do that well enough without my help im simply showing you that you shouldnt discuss topics you know little or nothing about.

VampiricTutorNewHD 06-12-2002 07:31 PM
There is that age thing again >_<. Because he is 13 does that make him stupid? Nothing annoys me more than saying someone is stupid because of their age. I am 14, I was 13 last year;and I most certainly wasn't stupid. He is stupid because that is the person he is, no because of whatever age he might be.

mastervampire 06-12-2002 07:34 PM
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: About peoples using trojans
 
Quote:
Originally posted by -SLaG-


1.) Im god

2.) You know nothing how the hell can you compare a trojan (which is a server sent to people who stupidly run which opens a port so the other person can tcp/ip to it) with a trainer which is a program not a virus whose binary coding is either changed or exploited. (Not a virus *******)

Hell I'll add a 3

3.) you are probly a 13 year old pimply faced kid thats extent of computer knowledge is "Start" and "Connect" plus the little tid bits you pick up here and there. Im not trying to make fun of you, you do that well enough without my help im simply showing you that you shouldnt discuss topics you know little or nothing about.
Haha neonight just got owned.

-Brett

-SLaG- 06-12-2002 08:24 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by VampiricTutorNewHD
There is that age thing again >_<. Because he is 13 does that make him stupid? Nothing annoys me more than saying someone is stupid because of their age. I am 14, I was 13 last year;and I most certainly wasn't stupid. He is stupid because that is the person he is, no because of whatever age he might be.
I didnt mean age like that im just saying the extent of "his" comp knowledge is prolly graal.

Neonight 06-13-2002 11:06 PM
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: About peoples using trojans
 
Quote:
Originally posted by -SLaG-


1.) Im god

2.) You know nothing how the hell can you compare a trojan (which is a server sent to people who stupidly run which opens a port so the other person can tcp/ip to it) with a trainer which is a program not a virus whose binary coding is either changed or exploited. (Not a virus *******)

Hell I'll add a 3

3.) you are probly a 13 year old pimply faced kid thats extent of computer knowledge is "Start" and "Connect" plus the little tid bits you pick up here and there. Im not trying to make fun of you, you do that well enough without my help im simply showing you that you shouldnt discuss topics you know little or nothing about.

I don't even come to the Graal Related much, so here I go.

1.) Yes, aren't we all

2.) Yes I know many things about hacking, as my step brother owned portwolf.com, which got shut down because some ***** downloaded live virii (viruses, whichever) and unleashed them on his school. He has taught me many things about hacking.

3.) Nope. I'm a 14 year old (close) kid without pimples, acne, etc. and who can script in C++ (Ask the Acid from EL. I helped him script some things when he asked.), VB, and a few rarely heard of languages. Seriously, you do not think I know what I am talking about? We were on the topic of hacking. I know trainers are lame programs that *****s download and use to manipulate the program. I know what trojans are, as I know all about lame Sub 7 and many others. I was adding to someone else's post about King Arthur. I was not starting the topic, so if you want to ***** and gripe, please, go do it somewhere other than the Graal forums, and make sure you're *****ing at the right person next time.

Granted, you won't get a reply (if you reply at all, which I'm sure you will) for a few days, because I'll either be banned by Alkaren for smarting off (hehe. Alkaren's still cool.) or I will not even look at this thread.

I agree with Vampire. I'm only 14, yes, but I am seriously nowhere near stupid, nor does my extent of computer knowledge not surpass yours greatly. :)

One last suggestion slag, before you start bashing people, make sure you're telling the facts instead of giving out lame comments on people you know nothing about.

Neonight 06-13-2002 11:15 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by -SLaG-


I didnt mean age like that im just saying the extent of "his" comp knowledge is prolly graal.
I do not even play Graal anymore. :rolleyes:

Neonight 06-13-2002 11:17 PM
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: About peoples using trojans
 
Quote:
Originally posted by mastervampire


Haha neonight just got owned.

-Brett

Brett, the word "owned" was used out about a year ago. :rolleyes:

Toad's with the times and he lives in Austrailia. Why can't you be?

Megamaniac 06-13-2002 11:26 PM
i never liked using it that way

Brad 06-13-2002 11:33 PM
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: About peoples using trojans
 
Quote:
Originally posted by mastervampire


Haha neonight just got owned.

-Brett
Holy:
Aww, just shutup. Neonight is smarter, and might I add cooler, than both of you. I dont care about anything sLaG says, because hes some stoner slacker guy.

Logo 06-14-2002 02:00 AM
trojan man

-SLaG- 06-14-2002 02:53 AM
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: About peoples using trojans
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Neonight



I don't even come to the Graal Related much, so here I go.

1.) Yes, aren't we all

2.) Yes I know many things about hacking, as my step brother owned portwolf.com, which got shut down because some ***** downloaded live virii (viruses, whichever) and unleashed them on his school. He has taught me many things about hacking.

3.) Nope. I'm a 14 year old (close) kid without pimples, acne, etc. and who can script in C++ (Ask the Acid from EL. I helped him script some things when he asked.), VB, and a few rarely heard of languages. Seriously, you do not think I know what I am talking about? We were on the topic of hacking. I know trainers are lame programs that *****s download and use to manipulate the program. I know what trojans are, as I know all about lame Sub 7 and many others. I was adding to someone else's post about King Arthur. I was not starting the topic, so if you want to ***** and gripe, please, go do it somewhere other than the Graal forums, and make sure you're *****ing at the right person next time.

Granted, you won't get a reply (if you reply at all, which I'm sure you will) for a few days, because I'll either be banned by Alkaren for smarting off (hehe. Alkaren's still cool.) or I will not even look at this thread.

I agree with Vampire. I'm only 14, yes, but I am seriously nowhere near stupid, nor does my extent of computer knowledge not surpass yours greatly. :)

One last suggestion slag, before you start bashing people, make sure you're telling the facts instead of giving out lame comments on people you know nothing about.

umm ok, I didnt read that all it looks long and not worth my time.

Zurkiba 06-14-2002 08:43 PM
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: About peoples using trojans
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Neonight



I don't even come to the Graal Related much, so here I go.

1.) Yes, aren't we all

2.) Yes I know many things about hacking, as my step brother owned portwolf.com, which got shut down because some ***** downloaded live virii (viruses, whichever) and unleashed them on his school. He has taught me many things about hacking.

3.) Nope. I'm a 14 year old (close) kid without pimples, acne, etc. and who can script in C++ (Ask the Acid from EL. I helped him script some things when he asked.), VB, and a few rarely heard of languages. Seriously, you do not think I know what I am talking about? We were on the topic of hacking. I know trainers are lame programs that *****s download and use to manipulate the program. I know what trojans are, as I know all about lame Sub 7 and many others. I was adding to someone else's post about King Arthur. I was not starting the topic, so if you want to ***** and gripe, please, go do it somewhere other than the Graal forums, and make sure you're *****ing at the right person next time.

Granted, you won't get a reply (if you reply at all, which I'm sure you will) for a few days, because I'll either be banned by Alkaren for smarting off (hehe. Alkaren's still cool.) or I will not even look at this thread.

I agree with Vampire. I'm only 14, yes, but I am seriously nowhere near stupid, nor does my extent of computer knowledge not surpass yours greatly. :)

One last suggestion slag, before you start bashing people, make sure you're telling the facts instead of giving out lame comments on people you know nothing about.
It seems as if your brother is an idiot... smart people dont advertise their goodies. They keep them to theirself.

You think it makes you a hacker to make a website -_-...

C++... wow... I know that too... pretty much everyone knows that.

We're not attacking your age -_- Read above... if you can read.

Hacking isn't a skill. It's too easy... (Ping IP, Load IP, Connect)...

Sub 7 are for 11 year olds who want to make something of themselves.


We bash you because you act so great and powerful and all knowing.

Neonight 06-14-2002 09:14 PM
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: About peoples using trojans
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Zurkiba


It seems as if your brother is an idiot... smart people dont advertise their goodies. They keep them to theirself.

You think it makes you a hacker to make a website -_-...

C++... wow... I know that too... pretty much everyone knows that.

We're not attacking your age -_- Read above... if you can read.

Hacking isn't a skill. It's too easy... (Ping IP, Load IP, Connect)...

Sub 7 are for 11 year olds who want to make something of themselves.


We bash you because you act so great and powerful and all knowing.
That's because I am so great and powerful and all knowing. ;)
You nitpick at one thing and tell me "I can do that, too," yet you do not seem to know what Portwolf is/was, nor did you read my post correctly. I said Sub 7 was lame. It is. Period. Most trojans and hacks are lame. He advertised nothing. I saw no advertisments.

By the time I even looked at his post about the age, I had already started typing. I don't take breaks, copy what I've typed, then go look at other posts. :rolleyes:

Going back to the hacking thing, you seem to know nothing about it. You don't ping somebody, you can just directly connect to them without looking for their IP or loading IPs. :-\ :rolleyes:

VampiricTutorNewHD 06-15-2002 11:00 AM
Hacks, in general, are lame. Anyone who dedicates themselves to screwing over other people on their computers has issues. What I get a kick out of is, for example, when people like my friend(an excellent coder mind you) got DOSsed and he cut his connection, and build a prog that made the attack return to the criminal. That is poetic justice.

-SLaG- 06-15-2002 12:16 PM
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: About peoples using trojans
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Neonight


That's because I am so great and powerful and all knowing. ;)
You nitpick at one thing and tell me "I can do that, too," yet you do not seem to know what Portwolf is/was, nor did you read my post correctly. I said Sub 7 was lame. It is. Period. Most trojans and hacks are lame. He advertised nothing. I saw no advertisments.

By the time I even looked at his post about the age, I had already started typing. I don't take breaks, copy what I've typed, then go look at other posts. :rolleyes:

Going back to the hacking thing, you seem to know nothing about it. You don't ping somebody, you can just directly connect to them without looking for their IP or loading IPs. :-\ :rolleyes:
Hey jerk you need a Ip to connect to someone sorry. You must specify a place to tcp/ip to. And there is no need for me to brag about what I can/cannot do. If you say you are 14 and know all that I applaud you, yet it seems unlikely that someone of your age can know all that. And I cannot beleave you compare hacking to trojans. Youre getting a little ahead of yourself here why dont you just stop.

Zurkiba 06-15-2002 08:08 PM
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: About peoples using trojans
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Neonight


That's because I am so great and powerful and all knowing. ;)
You nitpick at one thing and tell me "I can do that, too," yet you do not seem to know what Portwolf is/was, nor did you read my post correctly. I said Sub 7 was lame. It is. Period. Most trojans and hacks are lame. He advertised nothing. I saw no advertisments.

By the time I even looked at his post about the age, I had already started typing. I don't take breaks, copy what I've typed, then go look at other posts. :rolleyes:

Going back to the hacking thing, you seem to know nothing about it. You don't ping somebody, you can just directly connect to them without looking for their IP or loading IPs. :-\ :rolleyes:
You said that your brother wasa great hacker because he made a site called Port Wolf... sure I dont know what it is... but I'm sure it shared hacking tools. And if he had hacking tools on it then therefore he would advertise them.... look the word advertise up -_-

And you seem to know nothing about hacking... IPs are like Street Addresses... You cant send a letter to someone unless you have their street adrress... So you cant connect to someone without their IP.

So just shut up because you are making yourself look real bad... and you are about to make yourself look like one of those poser 11 year olds.

So just shut up....

-SLaG- 06-16-2002 12:34 AM
Lol I bet his bro is tellin him all this.

mastervampire 06-17-2002 05:56 PM
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: About peoples using trojans
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Zurkiba


You said that your brother wasa great hacker because he made a site called Port Wolf... sure I dont know what it is... but I'm sure it shared hacking tools. And if he had hacking tools on it then therefore he would advertise them.... look the word advertise up -_-

And you seem to know nothing about hacking... IPs are like Street Addresses... You cant send a letter to someone unless you have their street adrress... So you cant connect to someone without their IP.

So just shut up because you are making yourself look real bad... and you are about to make yourself look like one of those poser 11 year olds.

So just shut up....
And you know anything about hacking? I think you should look advertisement up. Anyone can get your IP address if they really wanted/knew how.

So you shutup.

-Brett

VampiricTutorNewHD 06-17-2002 06:44 PM
Incorrect. If I didn't do anything anywhere and got a new IP you couldn't find me at all. You can only find people if they leave a trail, like on a message board.

nyghtGT 06-17-2002 08:46 PM
Sooooo....

If Billy Joe Bob hacks my account, my account will be deleted and I will be globally banned?


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