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Kaimetsu 05-10-2002 06:50 PM

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Originally posted by vsignasv

I'm a little late on this but ya know, you sound like a british rapper.

We have rappers? :confused:

Neonight 05-10-2002 07:07 PM

Test

//Edit

Alright last time I couldn't post in this thread for some reason

Alkaren, everybody and their dog is unixmad's assistant. I mean, face it. Unixmad has more assistants that Hugh Hefner has girls at the Playboy Mansion...

UrashimaX 05-10-2002 07:16 PM

Yeah, we need some Winlover guy or something:rolleyes:

AlkarenHyralt 05-10-2002 08:38 PM

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Originally posted by Torankusu
no. The OWNERS of the game seem to let him do this stuff. I'm rather sick of it, and I refuse to put up with Nemesis, whose position is unknown.


Yes, they put thier trust in the wrong people (ie contego, and Nemesis). And their trust is unwavering, and completel and utter blind trust sadly.

TrueHeaT 05-10-2002 09:30 PM

Who on earth is nemesis? He sounds evil just from the name! :\

Okilian 05-10-2002 09:51 PM

Toran, you shouldn't go...obviously the players want u to stay...you actually care for graal, and it should benefit at some point..

UrashimaX 05-10-2002 09:58 PM

Bah, I hate Nemesis. I mean, in RE3 he was scaring me all the time... xx;

Redflair 05-10-2002 10:18 PM

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Originally posted by TrueHeaT
Who on earth is nemesis? He sounds evil just from the name! :\
some idiot from npulse. dont go toran, ur one of the best staff :(

Okilian 05-10-2002 10:21 PM

yes he is!

Saga2001 05-10-2002 10:50 PM

Well this is crap. I am quite close with Nemesis, and maybe he acts different on RC or whatever, but he has a job to do and he does it any he needs to be respected. If Torkan wants to let him take his power away because Torkan can't handle criticizm, that is not Nemesis' problem, and he is under a lot of undue stress, so if he ever explodes, just talk to him like a human or give him time to calm down, he IS human too.

Okilian 05-10-2002 10:53 PM

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Originally posted by Saga2001
any he needs to be respected.


That would be and, wouldn't it??

-this bit of grammer corrections is brought to you by the letter F-

AlkarenHyralt 05-10-2002 10:56 PM

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Originally posted by Saga2001
Well this is crap. I am quite close with Nemesis, and maybe he acts different on RC or whatever, but he has a job to do and he does it any he needs to be respected. If Torkan wants to let him take his power away because Torkan can't handle criticizm, that is not Nemesis' problem, and he is under a lot of undue stress, so if he ever explodes, just talk to him like a human or give him time to calm down, he IS human too.
Ah, I was wondering when someone like you would show up.

Seems different though that now people kiss Nemesis's ass, when they used to do nothing but kiss contego's (nemesis included)

Googi 05-10-2002 11:20 PM

Nemesis was a nice guy before he got global RC :(

iniquitus 05-10-2002 11:28 PM

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Originally posted by AlkarenHyralt



Yes, they put thier trust in the wrong people (ie contego, and Nemesis). And their trust is unwavering, and completel and utter blind trust sadly.

Zen master says:

There is no trust. One must not trust, humans are imperfect beings capible of imperfect acts; One must simply-- pay attention.

Urizen :D

Nemesis 05-10-2002 11:45 PM

In response to Toran.......
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God. I'm sick of that nemesis guy.

Hawk IMs me telling me Dark Warlock's doing this and that. Nemesis is the one that put him back into power, reguardless of what I said. He refuses to tell us his damn Position, and I've had no clarification from Stefan, so I'm just going to stop doing whatever the hell it was I did.
I did not put anyone in power, and left it alone......Even ask the people of UN.......I didn't fire anyone...Toran goes on RC (when in doubt he's not supposed to be on RC, go figure) anyways he starts making these plans, everyone is yelling at me.......So I go on the server and they already had decided whats going to happen, which was LiquidIce as co owner and Dark Warlock as Owner.......

GLad to see my name is used when I didn't do a single thing or give any official wording, when I was waiting to talk to Unixmad about whats going on..........Yet I'm slandered for doing something I never even did? All I did was INVESTIGATE the situation.......that is all and I clearly stated I would contact Unixmad or Stefan and not do anything......

Yet I'm hearing I put this guy in power.....I fired this other guy when that is far from the truth.......People need to get facts straight before posting on the forums and starting crap.......plain and simple

Okilian 05-10-2002 11:50 PM

In regards to that...nemesis...when u got time, I need to talk to u

freddyfox 05-10-2002 11:53 PM

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Originally posted by Saga2001
If Torkan wants to let him take his power away because Torkan can't handle criticizm, that is not Nemesis' problem, and he is under a lot of undue stress, so if he ever explodes, just talk to him like a human or give him time to calm down, he IS human too.
Stress = Crap. If you can't handle stress you shouldn't be trying to uphold a position of importance that demands a lot of your time and energy.

Nemesis 05-10-2002 11:57 PM

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Originally posted by freddyfox


Stress = Crap. If you can't handle stress you shouldn't be trying to uphold a position of importance that demands a lot of your time and energy.

Very true then again if your sole purpose is to gain power and be the big shot, and you feel like you never will get that, obviously people like to run away and put the blame on someone else......

Stress comes with the job, more stress than anything else, thus breaks are needed unless your prepared to whine and quit easily...

Brad 05-11-2002 12:04 AM

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Originally posted by Nemesis


Very true then again if your sole purpose is to gain power and be the big shot, and you feel like you never will get that, obviously people like to run away and put the blame on someone else......

Stress comes with the job, more stress than anything else, thus breaks are needed unless your prepared to whine and quit easily...

Holy:
Hey, come see spider man with me tomorrow... im gonna see it again with some friends =)

Okilian 05-11-2002 12:04 AM

You are right nemesis...it shows your weakness if you can't handle stress..

Echos 05-11-2002 12:19 AM

bai

BirdBirdP2P 05-11-2002 12:42 AM

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Originally posted by iniquitus
This has been a major problem with Graal for a long time now... The Graal Management Team needs to work out some serious comunication issues. I still think a private staff/owner forum would help alot; one where only staff/owners have posting rights, so Stefan and everyone else could make it a point to read one forum, that wouldn't be full of spam to filter, and serious issues could get addressed.

Playerworlds are also in rough shape right now. We have _alot_ of Servers out there that are being run very poorly, along with some that might need a bit of help with back-end stuff. The major problem here is we have alot of people creating playerworlds, but in most cases (not all!) the PW owners don't really know enough information about how Graal works to run a server properly. It's basicaily, "Ok. Your levels are good, we'll upload them and give you the admin tools. Have fun! :D" and here we're left with a situation where the server owners don't really have anyone to turn to when they have problems, lets face it; Stefan is busy with the actual programing and managing the official servers, anyone who's tried to contact him knows the odds of getting a responce from him are slim. :(

Another situation we're seeing is that people will get playerworlds approved, and then after they get the server, decide to delete everything and create a new world. (Or they are stupid and do not backup their playerworlds and someone else deletes them!) So then we have alot of servers that literaly have NOTHING to do, and are constantly under construction. These servers really shouldn't be online if they have nothing to offer yet. If they have work to do, they should, at the very least, have a small, temporairy world up, maybe about 25-50 levels or so, that people can play in and have things to do.

So with all this, we definately see the need for the PW Administration team to have more control. Right now it looks as though once the server is up, the PW Administration Team has no more control over the PW's. The problem, is finding someone to do this job, and handle this responsibility. If this person would go bad, then he/she could potentialy take out every playerworld on Graal.

Finding someone trust-worthy enough for this will be very hard. The best way I can think of to go about it, would be to actualy Hire someone as an employee of GraalOnline for a small amount, like maybe $10 /mo. and make them sign a leagly binding contract and such, so they would have the risk of leagle action against them if they ever were corrupt. The person they would get should probably not be a teenager, I'd think someone in there 20's who alredy has had work experiece and is a bit more responsible (no offence to all us youngin's! :)) I know that Stefan and Unixmad most likely won't go for this, but I don't really see any other way, with the past experiences we've had with power-hungry players becoming staff and then going psyco! :( It's very hard to find good people, especialy when they can hide behind a computer screen (It tends to change people).

The point:

Graal needs to setup a method where the inner-circle of staff can comunicate well and address issues.

Graal needs to work to get proactive staff who think ahead, and can see problems before they become nightmares. People who can actualy think outside the box and work towards constantly improving Graal, and making it more fun of a place.

Playerworlds need to be managed beter. More information needs to be avaible to new server owners.

Stefan is a busy guy. We need to stop expecting him to take care of everything, and likewise he needs to stop telling himself he CAN do everything. After all, we're all human. :)

I would start posting stuff about how to manager your playerworld beter, and how to work with g-server etc... but everyone would say "What do you know? You've never owned a playeworld!" So I'll just let you guys do that stuff :)

Urizen :D


true examples babylon rudora delteria and a couple other servers that suck frolic feahera or however you spell it
valikorlia is almost sorta organized but the staff ther hate each other and try to fire each other and don;t set a good example

AlkarenHyralt 05-11-2002 01:21 AM

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Originally posted by Nemesis
Toran goes on RC (when in doubt he's not supposed to be on RC, go figure)


That's right! You have RC but you're never supposed to go on it!

Makes perfect sense to me!

CowgirlBebop 05-11-2002 01:41 AM

I really dont know how to comment on this thread. What has been said is the exact opposite from the Mark I know. *sigh*

Birdbird_0 05-11-2002 01:48 AM

Birdbird_0 for GraalOnline Global Game Master guy!


yeah, doubt that will ever happen (sarcasem to some degree)

AlkarenHyralt 05-11-2002 01:49 AM

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Originally posted by Birdbird_0
Birdbird_0 for GraalOnline Global Game Master guy!


yeah, doubt that will ever happen (sarcasem to some degree)


(no, alkaren :( )

SinNetherwind 05-11-2002 01:53 AM

Nemesis is a good guy, GM of Enigma. From what I know of him he IS Uni's right hand, Staff admin global or something, I really don't know. But i remember when i first met him, how strict he was but his method's make sence! Unixmad put him in the posiston he is in for a reason, he is good at his job so quit complaining.

Sir_Gareth 05-11-2002 02:13 AM

Tell me what are these complaints?

Sir_Gareth 05-11-2002 02:16 AM

Oh and Okilian dont even try to talk to Nemisis to get you back as staff, yiu were fired for
1)You were power hungry, you did anything to get more power
2)You are a lier, you turn your back
3)Abuse of powers making a guild called (**** OFF)
and so on.

HVOstroHS 05-11-2002 02:51 AM

Re: Bye.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Torankusu
God. I'm sick of that nemesis guy.

Hawk IMs me telling me Dark Warlock's doing this and that. Nemesis is the one that put him back into power, reguardless of what I said. He refuses to tell us his damn Position, and I've had no clarification from Stefan, so I'm just going to stop doing whatever the hell it was I did.

Stylez can do whatever he wants to do with FAQ, and if I get fired for "inactivity," so be it. I'd rather not assist a "Manager" with such stupid logic (No offense, as of yet).

Bye. :]

Bye Bye

Okilian 05-11-2002 02:52 AM

I'm not even going to discuss what I'm talking to nemesis about here DW....and what you are talking about does not need to be talked about in a forum, thank you

zell12 05-11-2002 03:25 AM

Can I ask you one question Nemesis. Why did you fire the old Owner of Mithica, Gabaini? You had no power to do that, Stefan and Unixmad are the only ones who can. For all I care, you are a power hungry *******. You were once nice, but now you are greedy. :o

vsignasv 05-11-2002 03:36 AM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu


We have rappers? :confused:

yes, I am a british rapper names LL Cool J. um hum.


Your mother is going to knock you out.
Your mother is going to knock you out.:p

The word is up home dog.

TrueHeaT 05-11-2002 04:52 AM

I am not impressed by this "Nemesis" character.

Xerphier Dintch 05-11-2002 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by zell12
Can I ask you one question Nemesis. Why did you fire the old Owner of Mithica, Gabaini? You had no power to do that, Stefan and Unixmad are the only ones who can. For all I care, you are a power hungry *******. You were once nice, but now you are greedy. :o
Uh, you're the new idiot in charge, why don't you just let him be owner if you care so much?

Nemesis 05-11-2002 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by zell12
Can I ask you one question Nemesis. Why did you fire the old Owner of Mithica, Gabaini? You had no power to do that, Stefan and Unixmad are the only ones who can. For all I care, you are a power hungry *******. You were once nice, but now you are greedy. :o
Funny......

I investigated that when I was HRO (know how Alk hated that with a passion).......Zorro and KawaiiSaRiA took care of that, saying they got approval. I had nothing to do with who became owner there or who was placed. I remember logging on and going to see whats up and there was a new owner on Mithica and Gab was fired.....

Yet seemingly I did the firing, since I was there for hours and hours trying to sort everything out, and when something is done......when it wasn't me......It's Nemesis' fault......anyhow.......If I did it, I'd of admit to it.......But I didn't fire the Gab there.....I always tried to get approval unless I was allowed.........But I remember removing someone off a server but I can't remember who it was, but they came back in the end so it didn't matter it was more of a suspension anyhow....

vsignasv 05-11-2002 05:21 AM

Nemises, you were always my favorite staff to scam. I got 6k off of you.

Nemesis 05-11-2002 05:22 AM

6k? Hmm kinda hard to scam me when I've only had 400g ......thats the most ever I've had on 2k1.......but I guess you scammed me alright.....

Glory 05-11-2002 05:24 AM

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Originally posted by AlkarenHyralt
Nemesis is supposedly's Unixmad's asst. But when I asked Nemesis several weeks ago, he said his job was somewhere along the lines of "global staff managment" or something like that -- I don't exactly remember at the moment.

Honestly though Toran, after the way Nemesis acted on RC that one day when Birdbird and I were arguing with contego, you are surprised he does this kind of stuff?

Think about it man, Nemesis only cares about power and has the exact self-righteous attitude that contego has/had.


We need better global managment; contego is gone from what I hear, and Zorro is partically non-existsant. Galen is still around but has almost no power. And Unixmad and Stefan never seem to care enough about stuff to fix it.

I keep getting ignored about the forums from both Unixmad and Stefan, and I have questions I need answers to. They honestly just to seem to care that much -- before I became super mod everyone knows how it was. Almost nothing on the forums was done -- old mods never replaced, with the forums having barely any inactive mods, and remember when the ModCP was broken for like three or more months? This is what I keep saying; someone else needs to be given power to do this kind of stuff. Unfortuatly, Stefan and Unixmad trust almost no one, and the people they do 'trust' are always the wrong people.

You probably don't see Zorro, alot but I have seen him alot over the past month...

vsignasv 05-11-2002 05:26 AM

U like his h00r?


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