will it have the magic boomerang to? it owned us all

I think I have the last corepack, headpack, swordpack, shieldpack, mappack, and levelpack. I think they were all from January 15, 2001, except for the levelpack, which was from December 2000, I think.

I miss my old Magic Boomerang, back when I was the only person with one (1.37 to 1.41, around that time). I wish I still had it, but thanks to LinkX, I don't.

i was thinking of this today, seeing as ****i shut down his 1.39

Check this out guys, http://www.*******ers.org/

sounds like a bad idea
make a whole new world from scratch

Huh. I had you down as one of the people that wanted Old Classic back for some strange reason.

Eh, no.. I've played on the 1.39 "old classic" server, and it's fun, but whenever i play my imagination starts up and all i can think about is ways to improve the levels or what to add. i don't think you can just have old classic.

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Whats the point of cancelling out the link, you need a validation code in order for it to work.:(

Yeah. That's my theory too - people miss Old Classic because it was new. If you bring it back it won't be any more New than it was when all these people started.

But if it really is the levels people want, I say let them have it. Gives me more latitude to destroy Classic. =_=

hehe, i guess so
i just think it's a waste of time to do something like old classic
people should put their creative minds to work

Yeah. Plus there's the risk that someone's going to complain taking the 128 levels pack, fixing the bugs, and removing the copyrighted graphics is STILL too invasive, and therefore not the same...necessitating an OLD Old Classic which still has the Zelda graphics, profanity, a full-time Pachuka impersonator and everything back in .gifs. Screw that....

my ultimate graal world is a world where everything could be owned. every building could be bought and used for any purpose, decorated, furnished to the owners desire, land could be bought and of course fought over, everything can change within the game
my ideas are much too impossible.

Old Classic would never be the same without all of the Old Classic players.

Yea, and most of them are long gone. :(

Alright then, moral discussion time: What made the oldbies great?

My theory: evil.

I'm only even here because the LAT sucked. People would be turned away from the LAT unless they were friends with the admin, levels would be permanently lost, quests were left to rot forever...

Maybe all the oldbies became as great as they were because they had to deal with Pachuka, Azrael, Old Man, etc. themselves?

That means, of course, the best way to generate a new generation of legends is to insert a jerk and disband the GPs...ahhhh....maybe not. ^_^

Whatever became of Chris Kill'em and Fox?

I just thought about the whole thing. Converting Classic to Old Classic may be hard and tiring, but it's the fun of doing it is what really counts.

Many will be back, I'm sure.

im not the be all and end all of old classic stuff, but here's what i consider makes a world, such as Classic.

No GC (or ideally, a small presence of GC) but big events held occasionally. Remember the destruction of the NL? I'd like big events like that, except that the places destroyed should be destroyed for a purpose, not just to add a sparring arena to a world with many good ones already on it :) Also, events would need to be held fairly - the halloween events, for example, was held too late for people living in the UK/europe, and other countries too may have complaints. Ideally events would be held for 24 hours, starting for austrailia and ending for, erm, some place on the left side of the world :)

A small LAT presence - occasionally improving areas with minor additions, adding quests sometimes (contrary to popular belief, im not totally against additions :) but mostly additions of player houses (to finally fill up big city and the area to the left of nearorner/onett)

The amount of players - As several have said, the 300+ players at peak times without too much lag was the real charm of Classic. That's a dream world these days, that we coudl never accomplish, unless I were to spam like 500 ex-graalians on my ICQ list to come back :)

Freedom - We would need to lose spar ratings (thus giving the community the decision as to who is a good sparrer or not). Access needs to be allowed to most major areas without having to do quests first (the newbie house is an exception - a way to skip it would be ideal, but then real newbies would skip it...) although that said, some areas should be quest/item locked - such as areas requiring the hammer for entry.

Less ego inflation - Just a silly gripe, but when every quest level has at least 1 Tyhm, Zorbi, Zorba or Cid on it, we're kidna losing the fact that Graal is made by the general community, and not just the LAT. As I say, LAT = Level Admin Team, not Level Making Team.

The old levels - this is where it gets hard. Some people enjoy thm's levels, and they will play the 'new classic'. Hey, Tyhm surprises me sometimes, I must admit that I like his levels, I just don't like the reasoning behind some of them, and the drastic additions (ie heras - servers have used heart pieces before, and so has the lava cave, but making every heart out of heart pieces is a bit tiring, although the advantage is of course that we can have many more quests, the disadvantage then being that these quests tend to be mass-produced by the LAT. Sure, quests have always been made by the LAT, but that's because there were less of them, and therefore there had to be made to a LAT-standard. However, look now - classic areas have been changed, and although i started in 1.32, and therefore know very little about zol, sardon etc. im sure the people who know them would be pissed off to find them stepping into a weird paradox, and zol suddenly getting a randomly named father, Lozolin.

The main thing with levels though, is that i consider the 1.32 era the 'classic levels' because thats when i started. someone who started around 1.37 or so will remember slightly different levels. someone who started 1.28 or earlier will have another totally different view. Now, for a sort of self-advertisment - the reason i like the jedi knights games at http://graal.jediknights.co.uk so much is because they cater for all Graal-ages, simply because the people who make JK have come from different times. But they are seperate games, and attempting to mix one world with the next is impossible, at least without good planning. Chrono Trigger/Cross anyone? :) Now, there could be polls (ie. SN's arena or NL, Gold Sword or not, Number of hearts etc.) but after that, trying to sort it all out would be near impossible. Therefore, we would need to vote on a level pack to use.

Also, newer graal versions contain additions which go against the older spirit in some ways. tyhm has already explained this with AP, there's also spar ratings, amount of money dropped (which can be changed easily apparently, which is good) and of course, scripting changes. The toinventory command is gonna be removed soon according to tyhm, meaning we would either have to script a replacement with a system NPC, or just have items not appearing, except in the form of a sign saying 'you have picked up item -itemname- or whatever. Tyhm's solution was to place them as undeletable items in the NPC list, but this clogs up the list with unusable items, which really doesn't help. However, the thign thats missing form older Graal versions is some of the newer script stuff, such as new sign methods, that could be used to improve the old levels (to make things look correct, and perhaps better, although nothing too fancy - the life shrine looked nice, but it became a gateway for more and more similar things to come, and eventually they just got overused and annoying).

The thing is, I always wished for a classic that was updated often, but my choices are either tyhm's world which is updated often, but missing many elements of classic, or the old world, which can't really be updated because some people will get annoyed as much as I do sometimes :) because of this, I enjoy both worlds - the new world which has more players and better scripting and more quests, and the old world which has a better general feeling about it, a more relaxed style of play, more choices, no nations (the main thing that annoys me about the tyhm-world)
Because of that, if the old world goes up, then I would play both worlds, as long as the old world were to have at least 50 players at off peak times and over 125 at peak times. The problem with that would be getting enough newer players to play it, or managing to get older players back to graal.

And to royan - sremaglaer (read backwards) has been censored due to incidents with eikufam (read backwards, it might be censored) for ages now :) it's a pain, cause i means i have to use http://graalupdate.cjb.net to advertise my site instead of the usual URL, http://graalupdate.*******ers.net (damn censorship :)

Sounds good to me.

Anybody got any walkthroughs for Old classic cause I forgot where to go lol.
You start off in a house and there's an old man that gives you some map and tells you to go west to some temple and that temple is like 5 levels long but hard as hell because something is sucking you towards the middle of the room and the room is shaking and something keeps hitting you.

This is the classic we're talking about right?
If so I think it is a lot better than the current classic. The level quality between old and new is about the same in my opinion. There's some good and some bad.

Anyone knows about when this thing could be out if it is brought back?

What will become of current Classic?

I don't think we should take some old PWs that failed and use staff from them, it should be done by the older player. There is still MadBrad, Clops, Hoss, me. I still keep in contact with older players and stuff. There should not be staff that have power. This is what ruined Graal, or what people say. There will be many newbies, because the quests are very simple so PKing will be high. Take Babylon. They have barely any quests (they are a great server though), and since they have no quests, not many people play.

I would type more, but this keyboard is messed up and keeps skipping letters, causing me having to use the backspace key every other word.

Yeah, I was going to find a bunch of old people and ask them if they wanted to help out. Minoc said he'd find a bunch of people, but I wasn't so sure if I wanted that just yet.

I was thinking of fixing all of the problems, then dismantling the LAT (not forgetting to put up a sign in level13.graal or something saying thanks to them) and hiring a GP force to monitor. It would take a while, but...

Iam a oldbie.. i guess, ive been playing since.. well 4.5 years
or something, iam not very sure about version though

that's what they all say

Heres the story.. in fifth.. a few months in fifth grade
my friend was on a computer thingie place, he saw graal
and called me, i started playing.. 2 years later i took a break
for like.. 3-4 months and now iam in ninth grade.. :O

Classic will continue to be (or Tyhm-Classic, I guess).

shockedfrog, you're blowing my mind again...frequent events, but no GCs? Make up your mind!
No new quests. At all. Absolutely out of the question. That would make it Parallel Classic at which point, to paraphrase TrueHeat, stop being such a slacker and just make your own playerworld from scratch.

Yes to Playerhouses.

No to Goldsword and more hearts - the point is for it to be Old Graal, not to start out as Old Graal and watch it mutate. If Old Graal ceases to be Old Graal, what would we name the next one? Real Old Graal?
Spar ratings cannot be disabled level-side - however, you can just make a world without sparringzones and everyone will have the same null rating.
Ego - I resent that. I overuse Zorbis because I like them and they're convenient for "Hm, I have to put someone here...." The Floating Tyhm's are just signposts stating that Tyhm messed up the order of things, and are only temporary.

The Old Levels - yes, definitely this should be a Pre-Tyhm world. I'll take my ninja quest out of it.

Money Dropping - that was the Classic system. If you really prefer dropping 1000 regardless of how hard up for cash you are, be my guest.

Now for the big question: LAT Chief for Old Classic, GP Chief for Old Classic, FAQ at all on Old Classic?

Make your nominations, then I guess we'll hold a vote here.

Ohh boy, I probably shouldn't be doing this, but I nominate myself..
I've had quite a lot of experience with GP work.
I've been GP Captain and GP Chief on Dino Valley and a GP on X. Although I'm currently trying out for a GP position on Classic...well, let's call it New Classic now, I have never gotten the chance to prove myself on a proffesional server. This probably looks like a desperate attempt, but hey, it's worth a shot.
Someone who's been playing Graal for ages, or someone who is popular in the Graal Community would probably be nominated and chosen without doubt, but someone like me would just write one of these pathetic...somethings.

Vote.

Tyhm--

1) I think there's still a level with "mild" profanity in it, but I can't remember what the level is.
2) It's PACHUKA. ;)
3) Vote for me! I'm, liek, rael smurt!

shockedfrog--

1) Quit being mean to BANE - Bloody Annoying Newbie Energy, he's only been around since 1.36.

Probably more than one. But that'd be for the LAT to repair.

Speaking of which, we got Vovaziggy for GP Admin, any seconds, challengers, or nominees for LAT Admin?

My cat

I'm running for LAT admin!

Minoc should be LAT admin!

tyhm, all very well for us newbies, but the reason I mentioned the gold sword is simply because as far as i know, a long time ago, it was in. Remember the old forum debates where owl shimy would start going on about he was 'first to get the gold sword' etc? (and I used to boast about how I was first to kill Antago with the trident, hehe)

also, by 'new quests' im referring to the LAT perhaps re-adding classic quests. Problem is, someone would then start adding stuff like pachuka's old NPCs that had a tendency to, well, kill everyone :)

As for the events, i dont mean every day events like the GC, I mean for special events such as halloween (as long as we get someone else - i wasnt there due to time zones, but antago's halloween party was, apparently, crap. But there could be events sometimes, hopefully better ones :). However, there WOULD be every day events - but the players would hold them, like they used to before GC came. Usually spar tournaments or bush racing (i love bush races :) Prizes would range from just the pride of winning to some gelat donated by the organiser/other players. No silly prizes - as fun as they are, we all know that jellybeans and carry selves books dont really belong on old classic, considering that on old classic, ganis didnt exist yet :)

also, ken - who's bane?

me to

yesums

Minoc 4 LAT admin.

Since I might be quitting my Classic job soon, I might as well run for something.

What would I run for? I don't know. I'm a good LAT, not as good as NW people, but pretty good. I can make semi good graphics, and I can do some scripting. I also run a GP force under Juno, and I am experienced in the GP hiring. I have been ET Admin, Police Chief, and FAQ Chief on 2001. I also have been playing Graal for over 3 years (Graal has only been out for about 3 years and 9 months, and that includes when ZO was out). I know a lot of history and can really spice up Old Graal...

How about making me an admin? ;]