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magicvader

02-20-2002 08:22 AM

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Originally posted by Graal518
At Graal's CURRENT state, I hate to say that it's not worth re-upgrading anymore, even though the price is cheap, just what are we paying for? Graal2001 hasn't had an update in a very long time, the staff MOSTLY only make things for themselves. It used to be worth it because Stefan would make sometimes 2 updates per week, now it's lucky for an update ever ever ever. The slums just came out, but that's just providence levels and seemingly bird mafia related (which of course is another staff members guild). There is nothing to do in the slums anyway. New Hat's?? Don't make me laugh, that's not an update at all. That's just putting a bunch of gifs that a player made in a store for people. Hats are all over the place, hardly an update.

With that news thing outside of the admin house and 'all' that SK is working on seems to be the only things that may be released. He has a nice list there but we've yet to see any of it. Hopefully he'll get finished sometime soon and start making periodic updates.

Graal2002? Don't even talk about that until it's released.

So that brings me back to exactly why is Graal worth re-upgrading AT THIS POINT??

This is just my opinion.

Sk seems to be the only admin type guy who actually is trying to get graal2001 better
theres never anything really exciteingly new on graal2001 hats are getting boring except for my black shogun =D

Graal518

02-20-2002 08:25 AM

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Originally posted by ZanderX

Hats are an update, sadly.

Anyways, Bird Mafia is not a staff members guild, I don't know what gave you that idea.

Here's something that would make ME want to reupgrade:

Oasis, Murasamune (once Soul Blade decides to get back to work on it), Graal 2230...upcoming servers...

It can't be an update, it shouldn't be. It shouldn't be considered one.

What I meant by staff members guild is that it is owned by birdbird.

RE-UPgrading for things not released yet and that may never get finished, not because they suck or anything but just because the owner doens't have the time or will to continue his project.

magicvader

02-20-2002 08:26 AM

One thing bad about the credit card bann thing you cant go on free servers.......

ZanderX

02-20-2002 08:27 AM

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Originally posted by Graal518

It can't be an update, it shouldn't be. It shouldn't be considered one.

What I meant by staff members guild is that it is owned by birdbird.

RE-UPgrading for things not released yet and that may never get finished, not because they suck or anything but just because the owner doens't have the time or will to continue his project.

So it's owned by Birdbird; big deal.

Hats are an update because Hats are a major part of Graal 2001, and when new ones are released, it furthers the economy.

I would definitely reupgrade for Oasis and Graal 2230 since I know that both of them will continue, I talk to konidias about it every other day or so (I'm currently revising his story for the server), Graal 2230 is full of dedicated staff and won't just die off.

Graal518

02-20-2002 08:28 AM

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3) The levels on Graal 2001 are amazing? That is a joke, isn't it? Those level are quite horrid, and quite frankly, I am serious. Maybe it is you that doesn't have the good eye for levels, I have heard many others who say the levels could be improved, and that they can. There is a lot more room for creativity, originality, and there are many tile errors that could be fixed.

The level quality isn't that bad, I haven't seen any better from you shaun, although I did see you rate your levels like a 9 and then I saw them and woulnd't give them even that.

Graal2001 has better NPC's then anything else, the level quality does not suck. But it's not 'amazing' either.

Echos

02-20-2002 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ZanderX

So it's owned by Birdbird; big deal.

Hats are an update because Hats are a major part of Graal 2001, and when new ones are released, it furthers the economy.

I would definitely reupgrade for Oasis and Graal 2230 since I know that both of them will continue, I talk to konidias about it every other day or so (I'm currently revising his story for the server), Graal 2230 is full of dedicated staff and won't just die off.

We aren't done our argument, don't stray away, Vincent just dc'ed when I was beating him up in an argument, and I want to finish one for once, instead of somebody running away.

Razor132k1

02-20-2002 08:29 AM

Re: Re: Credit Card fraud...

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Originally posted by Birdbird_0

I never thought the percentages of cc fraud was that high :megaeek:

Ohwell then cyberjoueurs can, hopefully, rot in hell.

magicvader

02-20-2002 08:29 AM

Ugh hats we have lots already theres always more more more then they all crowd into the hat shop and buy them all and sell them for like 500 at first then the price goes down to at least 100
and they dont seem to be and update that happens that often if its even a update at all

_0AfTeRsHoCk0_

02-20-2002 08:30 AM

I have to agree that there isn't much worth re-upgrading for now. The prices were upped, that's all good and well but there isn't any point until 2k2 comes out. And I hope that Graal 2230 won't turn ointo another "staff fun time" server where staff runs around with super death star equivalent powwer lazer beams blowing people up with anti matter technology. The staff should either stay out of space role-playing or play as normals. One way they can play as normals is possibly be a CEO of some space company that is awfully rich (I have nothing wrong with that)

Graal518

02-20-2002 08:31 AM

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Well it is technically something owned by a staff member, and the slums were the only update in a while and it's because "I ASSUME" it's bird mafia related.

Graal2k1's economy is DEAD. Just completely, it used to be hard to get money, and to afford everything, now people have like 40k gralats or more.

Eh, maybe, maybe not. You can't know for ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY SURE. Ya know.

Echos

02-20-2002 08:32 AM

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Originally posted by Graal518

The level quality isn't that bad, I haven't seen any better from you shaun, although I did see you rate your levels like a 9 and then I saw them and woulnd't give them even that.

Graal2001 has better NPC's then anything else, the level quality does not suck. But it's not 'amazing' either.

I haven't seen all of my levels, and I said I would rate my levels unfairly, it's because with everybody else, I don't know them, with myself, it's only natural to have an unfair bias, and I said that it would be unfair, but just for a go at it.

Graal2001 does have better NPC's and Levels, but that's not saying much. Most of the NPC's are simple to script however, and the levels have a little bit of effort. Yes, the general level quality does "suck", but it's what is your definition of "suck" that counts. Well, it's all in the "Eye of the Beholder" ;)

Graal518

02-20-2002 08:36 AM

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Originally posted by Echos

I haven't seen all of my levels, and I said I would rate my levels unfairly, it's because with everybody else, I don't know them, with myself, it's only natural to have an unfair bias, and I said that it would be unfair, but just for a go at it.

Graal2001 does have better NPC's and Levels, but that's not saying much. Most of the NPC's are simple to script however, and the levels have a little bit of effort. Yes, the general level quality does "suck", but it's what is your definition of "suck" that counts. Well, it's all in the "Eye of the Beholder" ;)

Eye didn't even know what his name meant before he started using it and I told him, lol.

Graal2001's npcs are sooooo not easy to script, though there are simple ones like hats, there are hard ones.

magicvader

02-20-2002 08:37 AM

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Originally posted by Graal518

Graal2k1's economy is DEAD. Just completely, it used to be hard to get money, and to afford everything, now people have like 40k gralats or more.

they get that much because they load up on hats that they buy cheap then sell them at high prices it makes me mad but ive learned to cope with the rich by working hard by mineing ehich i cannot do because of this cc ban

Echos

02-20-2002 08:38 AM

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Originally posted by Graal518

Eye didn't even know what his name meant before he started using it and I told him, lol.

Graal2001's npcs are sooooo not easy to script, though there are simple ones like hats, there are hard ones.

The only ones I couldn't script would be ones with npc server, that's only because I have no interest in working with that... thing.

Faheria_GP2

02-20-2002 08:43 AM

even though it is the WAVE OF THE FUTURE

Graal518

02-20-2002 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Echos

The only ones I couldn't script would be ones with npc server, that's only because I have no interest in working with that... thing.

Oh, I'm just sure you're perfectly capable of scripting any NPC you want without any trouble aren't you shaun??
What's your secret? Goto the g2k1 script site and use the awsome power of copy paste!? I don't suck at scripting but I'm nost so good as to script all the things on Graal2k1.

Echos

02-20-2002 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by Graal518

Oh, I'm just sure you're perfectly capable of scripting any NPC you want without any trouble aren't you shaun??
What's your secret? Goto the g2k1 script site and use the awsome power of copy paste!? I don't suck at scripting but I'm nost so good as to script all the things on Graal2k1.

No, they just haven't pulled out the big guns on G2K1 yet... There is a lot of potential in the scripting engine, I have seen lots of I couldn't do, but as I learn more C++, I learn a little bit of GScript.

Valder

02-20-2002 01:22 PM

I am most likely going to reupgrade now because of this. Unixmad spent 100000 dollars on graal last year from his own pocket to try and make this game enjoyable for you. It may get boring at time, but he is trying is damndest(sp?) to make sure this game stays online. The people that have been using fake CC's make me sick and you people should ALL be IP banned.

Bird2prey

02-20-2002 01:25 PM

Re: Re: Credit Card fraud...

Quote:

Originally posted by PsychopathicRyda

Twiztid: we dont need to hear your whole carear story biotch...subscription prices were only raised because you cant feed your kids you biotch

No ****, people need money to live.

Kaimetsu

02-20-2002 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Echos

The only ones I couldn't script would be ones with npc server, that's only because I have no interest in working with that... thing.

I don't mean any offence by this Shaun, but you're ignorant if you shun the NPC Server. It's a brilliant tool and until you learn to use it and find out what it can do, you shouldn't insinuate to the contrary. The simple fact is that you couldn't script 90% of G2K1 simply because there's a large chunk of the language that you can't use.

TrueHeaT

02-20-2002 02:19 PM

The NPC server is the greatest thing to ever happen to Graal.

James205

02-20-2002 02:25 PM

Without the NPC Server g2k1 would have 23423342 staff weapons.

Ne0BDP

02-20-2002 02:26 PM

**wandering how a credit card fraud post turned into a NC discussion** :) But yes NC is the best thing to happen sence sliced bred.

Valder

02-20-2002 02:28 PM

NPC Server = +respects

Birdbird_0

02-20-2002 02:32 PM

If Stefan would let me have full acess for 2230 and have the team on it, it could be in close compition with 2k2, and bring alot of players and new upgraded accoutns to it, I wish he would acutaly consider leting us work on it online before 2k2 gets released :(

Falcor

02-21-2002 12:46 AM

Don't think it will happen birdy =\

lordhelmut

02-21-2002 03:32 AM

Re: Credit Card fraud...

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Originally posted by unixmad
The credit card fraud that have been managed the 19 February 2002 is concerning about 20 credit cards. Each of this card have been used for upgrading 20 to 60 accounts, it mean that the fraud is concerning more than 600 upgraded accounts and that each card have been used for 500$ to 1500$ of account transactions.

It's sadly a very big percentage of the peoples that have upgraded there account from October to January.

Each banning is managed by hand, and we receive 3 papers from our bank to be sure there is no mistake. All this is verified by me personally 2 times !

It’s possible that some peoples have been abused by some others, but when you give your account/password to someone else, you take the risk that someone do credit card fraud to upgrade your account, then don’t complain about loosing your account, the only way to have your account back is to pay for it and don’t try to use some other fake credit card because I will verify all transactions by hand.

We are now using Paypal for payment processing, for peoples that want to try credit card fraud or ask for charge back after a while, they need to known that Paypal and us are now reporting all activity to the police and to the bank, it mean that if you do such things not only you will not be able to use paypal in the future but your bank will not give you another credit card.

I have only managed half of the credit card fraud, today there will be another big group of account that will be banned for credit card fraud.

Stefan and Me are really affected by this and the Linux cyberjoueurs company is facing to money problems because of all this, when you do credit card fraud not only the bank is taking the money from our account but we have to pay penality to the bank for what you are doing.

Then when you complain for loosing your account or time think about Linux cyberjoueurs peoples loosing there job because of you and think that we will probably have to change our way to manage Graal, 80% of peoples never pay to play Graal and 10% of others do credit card frauds, how do you want us to pay charges with that ?

I give people stuff on 2001 to upgrade them. You say that we can get accounts back by reupgrading? After ownerofbabylon was banned I paid again and it didnt get enabled, can you check on that?

Providence_Admin3

02-21-2002 03:34 AM

Re: Re: Credit Card fraud...

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Originally posted by Birdbird_0

I never thought the percentages of cc fraud was that high :megaeek:

Wow... Graal will be a LOT less crowded!

Valder

02-21-2002 03:40 AM

Re: Re: Re: Credit Card fraud...

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Originally posted by Providence_Admin3

Wow... Graal will be a LOT less crowded!

That may be a good thing, but Unixmad lost A LOT for money because of this CC fraud crap and is very stressed over trying to get 2k2 done in time.

OutlawP2P

02-21-2002 03:46 AM

Re: Re: Credit Card fraud...

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Originally posted by PsychopathicRyda

Twiztid: we dont need to hear your whole carear story biotch...subscription prices were only raised because you cant feed your kids you biotch

There are several things wrong with you, A. You cannot spell, B. Who cares if subscription prices were raised, if you dont like it stop playing. And finally why is he a "biotch" for wanting to feed his kids? Do they deserve to starve because immature idiots like you don't want to pay an extra few dollars to play an online game. I truly think people like you should be sailed to the middle of the ocean and drowned one by one.

OutlawP2P

02-21-2002 03:51 AM

Re: Re: Re: Credit Card fraud...

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Originally posted by Razor132k1

Ohwell then cyberjoueurs can, hopefully, rot in hell.

Why? Because they are honest, hardworking people just trying to run a business? I am really getting sick of people like you and that Twiztid guy.

Providence_Admin3

02-21-2002 03:57 AM

Re: Re: Re: Re: Credit Card fraud...

Quote:

Originally posted by Valder

That may be a good thing, but Unixmad lost A LOT for money because of this CC fraud crap and is very stressed over trying to get 2k2 done in time.

Yeah... :(

I feel bad for unixmad and Stefan. I would feel even worse if this was their only source of income. ;/

magicvader

02-21-2002 07:15 AM

I dont see why they relie their money on a game such as graal espically if no one upgrades their accounts

Python523

02-21-2002 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Birdbird_0
If Stefan would let me have full acess for 2230 and have the team on it, it could be in close compition with 2k2, and bring alot of players and new upgraded accoutns to it, I wish he would acutaly consider leting us work on it online before 2k2 gets released :(

I wish he would to but people would complain since Stefan has already said 'No more UC Servers.'

James

02-21-2002 07:25 AM

Re: Re: Re: Re: Credit Card fraud...

Quote:

Originally posted by Valder

That may be a good thing, but Unixmad lost A LOT for money because of this CC fraud crap and is very stressed over trying to get 2k2 done in time.

Just to let you know I don't think anyone is stressed with getting it done, the 2002 team has been working pretty hard on getting it done, but not in that big of a rush.

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