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TrueHeaT 12-16-2001 03:17 AM

sounds good.

The_Millennium_Joey 12-16-2001 03:17 AM

500 in whole Graal?

Admins 12-16-2001 03:18 AM

Yes 500 in whole graal, no matter where you login,
the login time is important

AlexH 12-16-2001 03:19 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Stefan
(didn't happen when we have
tested it some weeks ago on invis servers).


:megaeek:
alex wants to play invis servers

The_Millennium_Joey 12-16-2001 03:19 AM

bah.. :rolleyes:

don't forget that not everyone can buy a upgraded account, because of no credit card etc. and they'll have no fun anymore, I'm sure.

ZanderX 12-16-2001 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Millennium_Joey
bah.. :rolleyes:

don't forget that not everyone can buy a upgraded account, because of no credit card etc. and they'll have no fun anymore, I'm sure.


Don't forget that people have parents.

Don't forget that it's only 27 dollars.

Don't forget that people upgrade every day.

Don't forget that if people didn't upgrade, there would be no Graal.

So please, stop being stupid and stop whining.

Shorty2Dope 12-16-2001 03:31 AM

If you don't have a credit card, use a damn bank card. Graal has to change. People just want everything for free. It cost ALOT of money to keep graal up and the servers running. Stop whining and pay the few bucks a month. P2P players are allowed to go on any server anytime. Start upgrading your accounts or stop whining and leave. Everyone says graal sux, blah blah. But they still come back and play it. Leave! Graal makes no money off whiny people who wont pay for a p2p account. There just people that cause more trouble. It's not like its a million bucks for an account. I just went on free servers with my non-p2p and i waited at most 2 min before i was able to play. People are whining because of that!? Grow up, 2 min aint a hole lot of time to wait. Go grab a drink or a snack and come back.

:D

Slaktmaster 12-16-2001 03:49 AM

Then I have four months until I quit Graal. I just decided not to reupgrade unless G2k2 is really great.

ZanderX 12-16-2001 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Slaktmaster
Then I have four months until I quit Graal. I just decided not to reupgrade unless G2k2 is really great.

Simply because of this?!@ <3 Four months is too short, don't go. :(

Torankusu 12-16-2001 03:52 AM

I have three, now that my Josef Stalin account is banned. :DD11

Slaktmaster 12-16-2001 03:53 AM

I talk to people that are deciding to quit Graal because of this; I might leave earlier. They can't play their favourite free server like they could so they are thinkinh about quitting Graal. And how fun will Graal be if all of my old friends that I talk to every day simply disappear?

Graal is so fun and the game itself is becoming better all the time but things like this is making me sad. :( But of course I understand Stefan for doing it.

ZanderX 12-16-2001 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Slaktmaster
I talk to people that are deciding to quit Graal because of this; I might leave earlier. They can't play their favourite free server like they could so they are thinkinh about quitting Graal. And how fun will Graal be if all of my old friends that I talk to every day simply disappear?

Graal is so fun and the game itself is becoming better all the time but things like this is making me sad. :( But of course I understand Stefan for doing it.


No offense to your friends, but that's really childish. I mean, there is a 500 person limit on all servers, meaning there cannot be more than 500 people on Graal at any given time now. But it's not like you have to wait for a thousand years to get on. Like Shorty2Dope said, if you get stuck in a queue, just get up and go get a snack or talk to someone on the phone for a few minutes until you get in...

psichill 12-16-2001 03:59 AM

You guys cant just think about your selves!
If there gets too much bandwith on graal's servers,
then graal will be shut down for a month or soo.
(If he is using that kind of a server.)
But also you don't want to be on graal and have it be laggy.
Just eat a snack,watch a show,watch a porno..err.. I mean go outside and DO SOMETHING!

Slaktmaster 12-16-2001 04:00 AM

Yeah I know its childish to quit for that and I hope they don't. :)

I willtry to convince them. I mean, its not that bad. Making this thread was kind of stupid since I knew it was coming anyway. But the things that pissed me off the most was simply that it was so bugged, my N-Pulse staff account didn't work. :(

And when people stopped being a ghost they couldn't see hearts or anything and people were PM bombing me all the time. :(

Torankusu 12-16-2001 04:01 AM

I agree with kamuii.

The only thing wrong with graal is the administrators and how they judge; nobody's judgement is perfect, though; only when you agree with their decision, or it didn't effect you majorly/you wanted it to happen.

Stefan creating a maxplayerlimit reduced bandwith used, costing less for graal. It also gives people another reason to upgrade; not have to play as a ghost(?).

ZanderX 12-16-2001 04:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by psichill
You guys cant just think about your selves!
If there gets too much bandwith on graal's servers,
then graal will be shut down for a month or soo.
(If he is using that kind of a server.)
But also you don't want to be on graal and have it be laggy.
Just eat a snack,watch a show,watch a porno..err.. I mean go outside and DO SOMETHING!


There is not a bandwidth problem.

It's called financial growth and decay.

If 50 players buy 50 many year-long Graal accounts, Graal gets x amount of dollars.

However, if 100 players do NOT buy 100 many year-long Graal accounts, Graal does NOT get x amount of dollars.

As it stands, Graal seems to be on the decaying side of financial growth and decay. x players are not buying x accounts and Graal does NOT get x amount of dollars.

In other words, if the trend continues, Graal goes to the trash can.

In other words, this is necessary so people will be enticed to pay. Besides, it's only 27 friggin dollars.

AlexH 12-16-2001 04:03 AM

and it also reduces lag :)

ZanderX 12-16-2001 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Torankusu
I agree with kamuii.

The only thing wrong with graal is the administrators and how they judge; nobody's judgement is perfect, though; only when you agree with their decision, or it didn't effect you majorly/you wanted it to happen.

Stefan creating a maxplayerlimit reduced bandwith used, costing less for graal. It also gives people another reason to upgrade; not have to play as a ghost(?).

And with the maximum player limit, Stefan and other higher up Staff will also have potentially less player annoyance to deal with, meaning more time to update and work on things, and possibly more responsiveness when online.

Torankusu 12-16-2001 04:03 AM

I haven't been a victim of this ghost thing yet...
Is it only for non-p2p people?

ZanderX 12-16-2001 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Torankusu
I haven't been a victim of this ghost thing yet...
Is it only for non-p2p people?


I think so. Not quite sure.

Slaktmaster 12-16-2001 04:05 AM

Kamuii, stop making sense when I am trying to be stupid. :)

I know this is good for Graal in the future. Graal will live. :)

(Hey I might upgrade my account again anyway, thanks Kamuii;))

AlexH 12-16-2001 04:05 AM

stefan said he removed it cause it was bugged
but he'll get it back up soon im sure

psichill 12-16-2001 04:06 AM

That makes me mad that they think they can play this game without playing it! It's just like buying a computer game! And people use this game more then any crapy computer game! Jeese, it's 27$ And if you buy a computer game you allways buy the (sp?)sequal, so it's just like re-newing your acount.

ZanderX 12-16-2001 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Slaktmaster
Kamuii, stop making sense when I am trying to be stupid. :)

I know this is good for Graal in the future. Graal will live. :)

(Hey I might upgrade my account again anyway, thanks Kamuii;))


When I am in a good mood, I try and make sense as often as possible. ;D

disclaimer: i am in a very good mood because tonight i get a day and a half with a ps2, anime, games, pizza, soda, and other goodies, not to mention a big screen TV and an entire studio to myself and my friends.

Slaktmaster 12-16-2001 04:08 AM

Oh, I see. ;)

Btw, big parts of Kheldren is coming up on N-Pulse soon. :)

ZanderX 12-16-2001 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Slaktmaster
Oh, I see. ;)

Btw, big parts of Kheldren is coming up on N-Pulse soon. :)


Spiff to the E. :D

Slaktmaster 12-16-2001 04:17 AM

I am going to ruin one of the most loved forums of entertainment on these forums - insulting N-Pulse. >=D

Spark910 12-16-2001 04:20 AM

Re: Tsk..
 
Quote:

Originally posted by LittleBiiru
Stefan is pushing his luck. He's going to go too far with this Pay 2 play thing.. People are going to start quitting graal. People arn't going to spend 24 bucks to be avil to play a server more than twice. Stefan's going to regret this.. ;-)



-Cortez

I cant spil a word but there is a game i the making like Graal but laods better that we can all go to cos when the new game is done grala will be all P2p max of 10 ons ervers its like HELL really.

cds96 12-16-2001 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Slaktmaster
Kamuii, stop making sense when I am trying to be stupid. :)

I know this is good for Graal in the future. Graal will live. :)

(Hey I might upgrade my account again anyway, thanks Kamuii;))

<3

Slaktmaster 12-16-2001 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cds96
<3
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cds96 12-16-2001 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Slaktmaster


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you blew my socks away with that.

If graal2002 isnt any good we can still play faheria, i saw tb3 today and he said he was going to add some more stuff soon.

TheFrozenFiend 12-16-2001 04:33 AM

Its only something like 18 euros (total guess but it has to be close) for a year. Thats cheaper than a new game.
\/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ (im using £. Live with it)

New game (for ps2) = £37.99
Graal Account for 1 year = £15.00 (more or less)
Play PS2 game - A month (max) then you get bored stick it in a draw/box/something and forget about it.
Play Graal - Nearly every day for the while year.

So it works out cheaper buying a year of graal. Plus graal always gets new stuff added and a ps2/xbox/gamecube game doesnt.

So all you cheap %*!$*^)(" (dont ask) should upgrade your accounts now! Go on! Now!

Even though on Graal 2001 the whole server revolves around pressing the D button which totaly sux and needs some quests or something to kill :p .. *ducks as stefan throws knives* ....you should still upgrade cause Graal 2002 looks cool and Graal 2001 has to get better sometime.

Tyhm 12-16-2001 04:46 AM

1) Less lag is good
2) Graal not ceasing to be is good3) C'mon guys, we owe it to 'em. Stefan has had to pass up some juicy opportunities to make games for other companies, and Unixmad's funded this game out of pocket for the last, what, three years? Something like that. What's not to understand?
Strangely, it seems a lot. I tell people Unixmad paid for Graal's upkeep and maintenance out of his savings account, and they say "Well, why can't he KEEP covering the costs?"
(Are these people naïve, or just stupid?!?)
A few say he didn't earn the money anyway - just loaned out half the bandwidth to XXX sites. One, no idea where that info came from, two, that's still earning money chachi.

But back to Ghost Mode itself:
1) All Local Commands. If it encounters the script if(playertouchsme) hide;, it runs if(playertouchsme) hidelocal. It ignores putnpc and destroy, and setplayerprop, and setcharprop, etc, but hide and show come as hidelocal and showlocal-so they can at least explore a little bit!
2) Script Ghosts. I wanna make a ghost spar arena! I wanna make a sparringzone such that the people who don't enter via the NPC Warp are "PMable ghosts" until they leave the level! It'd be kinda like showstats on the minimap, how you can't force it to be visible if the player disables it: you can't make someone who is a ghost not a ghost via scripting, but you can make someone who is not a ghost a ghost temporarily, while they're in the room, via scripting. ^__^

Just imagine the possibilities...staff that can go Ghost at will, viewable events that don't lag the participants...I want to script ghosts! :(

Metal-Slug 12-16-2001 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tyhm
1) Less lag is good
2) Graal not ceasing to be is good3) C'mon guys, we owe it to 'em. Stefan has had to pass up some juicy opportunities to make games for other companies, and Unixmad's funded this game out of pocket for the last, what, three years? Something like that. What's not to understand?
Strangely, it seems a lot. I tell people Unixmad paid for Graal's upkeep and maintenance out of his savings account, and they say "Well, why can't he KEEP covering the costs?"
(Are these people naïve, or just stupid?!?)
A few say he didn't earn the money anyway - just loaned out half the bandwidth to XXX sites. One, no idea where that info came from, two, that's still earning money chachi.

But back to Ghost Mode itself:
1) All Local Commands. If it encounters the script if(playertouchsme) hide;, it runs if(playertouchsme) hidelocal. It ignores putnpc and destroy, and setplayerprop, and setcharprop, etc, but hide and show come as hidelocal and showlocal-so they can at least explore a little bit!
2) Script Ghosts. I wanna make a ghost spar arena! I wanna make a sparringzone such that the people who don't enter via the NPC Warp are "PMable ghosts" until they leave the level! It'd be kinda like showstats on the minimap, how you can't force it to be visible if the player disables it: you can't make someone who is a ghost not a ghost via scripting, but you can make someone who is not a ghost a ghost temporarily, while they're in the room, via scripting. ^__^

Just imagine the possibilities...staff that can go Ghost at will, viewable events that don't lag the participants...I want to script ghosts! :(

i thought that was a rumor, (loaning the bandwith to porn sites)

grim_squeaker_x 12-16-2001 05:02 AM

Well staff accounts for all servers should be half-upgraded then (I.E. Acces to own server as upgraded account) otherwise if too many people are on there wouldn't be enough staff available. Although preferably without acces to the forums excepting perhaps the admin accounts.

Slaktmaster 12-16-2001 05:18 AM

Yes.

sac 12-16-2001 05:41 AM

OMG it's only 27 dollar a year 27/12= thats only 2.25 per month!!!Just don't eat lunch at school for like a day or mow a neighbors lawn and you'll have enought money to pay your parents or just go and ask your parents to upgrade your account for chrismas or something...

I think stefan's idea is really a good .

Shorty2Dope 12-16-2001 05:45 AM

People with P2P accounts can access any server anytime. Atleast thats what i noticed. I was able to go into any server with no problem with P2P. When I used my trial account I had to wait from 30sec - 2min at most. Thats not bad at all.

For ghost mode they should make it so ghost can see each other or talk to other ghost. This way they have something to do while they wait for 2 min. :D

_0AfTeRsHoCk0_ 12-16-2001 05:52 AM

OH NO GHOST MODE EVERYONE START TO REBEL AGAINST TEH SYSTEM#@!%#!@12111@!!@

sac 12-16-2001 05:55 AM

and if someone don't move for like 15 or 30 minutes they get kicked off so people don't stay on forever so other people can't get on


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