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I didn't really like Jerret, and I know he REALLY hated me but IMO he was a great Manager, and probably one of the few I'll ever say that about.

Again Jerret blatantly showed he really disliked me.. But if I brought a bug up to him, or even a video showing how mindlessly overpowered an aspect of a class was, he'd fix it.

You just don't find Managers that aren't biased like that, and I really respected him for it.

Aside from that, the things that have been brought to Zodiac under Jerret's management has been amazing. Don't really want to get into listing things off, as anyone could for awhile, but I just wanted to show a little support.

Also. Globals have intervened in UN's management constantly since they fired Streety.
Streety was Manager for a year, and despite.. issues he did have.. he was UN's last stable Manager, and now it seems like every couple of months, there's a new one, and the server hasn't really gone anywhere, except for 2 on-and-off Developers. Please tread carefully with this, globals.

Hey Gabriel, no one likes you!!! :)

You've just become the worst person on Graal- I hope you're happy. AGT4LIFE

Jerret has been by far the best manager I've ever known on graal. He has been extremely supportive to the community, GP team, and development team. Not to mention his strong scripting knowledge is incredibly helpful especially at the times when bugs arise that nobody else can figure out. Jerret has been a godsend to Zodiac and I'm with all honesty rather frightened to think who the PWA might consider replacing him with given Graal's extensive past of abusive managers.

Sidenote:
If you talk to any UN staff, they could probably tell you about how Sinkler was constantly being insulted and trolled over RC while he was "Co Manager".

Also I'd like to post a PM I sent on zodiac, as it's already written:

lag_PKer (Tue Aug 07 18:29:54 2012):
lol man x_x Jerret was the best Manager I've ever seen.
He was actually interactive with players on the forums, especially with bugs, and occasionally, with class nerfs and buffs.

I hope Zodiac doesn't get shredded like UN did when PWAs fired Streety.

(Streety wasn't a GREAT Manager, but he was decent.. after that, UN's had a new one like every 3 months)

It sounds like the PWA needs to be disbanded. Tig never did answer my email from two months ago; instead he's been busy wedging himself in things that are not his business.

Player World Administrators need a refresh. New blood so to speak. Xor usually handles problems relatively quickly, and last I checked, he doesn't abuse for his Graal family.

rep++

I think Xor should control PWA (if he wants it anyway)
Otherwise Bell (like before, she is amazing)

sinkler: hi triple_combo!
triple_combo: OMG I GOT BANT 4 BREAKING RULZ 200 TIMEZ PLZ FIX
sinkler: Hey fp i herd u bant ma graal gf
Jerret: I got rid of her because she has been breaking severe rules and hasn't had any punishment for it
sinkler: lul but internet poon *removes jerret*

Yeah, Bell's cool. (Xor, too)

And here's my story and experience with Jerret.
As any Zodiac player knows, I (was) outspoken against Jerret having manager because of the simple fact that he hates me. Him and Sunny both disliked me, and as a result, I ended up on the blacklist of Zodiac, and generally anything that came of out my mouth was considered utter **** and not to be taken seriously. But however, I respect fp4 as an intellectual mind and I recognize that he's one of the best things to hit Graal since Stefan created it.
However, when I heard that he was fired for doing what's protocol against people who break the rules, I was enraged. I have no love for Jerret, but I certainly don't have ANY respect for anyone who would go so low as to bring staff powers to play for a personal vendetta. That's just sick, that you can't even have a open discussion like civil adults and understand reasoning.
I now openly support Jerret and all he stands for, as well as the de-staffing of all current PWAs associated with a certain family on Graal. This injustice will not stand and will be met accordingly.
Sinkler, you had my respect and support.
You had the support of Zodiac.
You've lost all of it.
You will have no safe haven here anymore.

Congratulations. You've managed to have probably one of the only people that's holding a huge chunk of Graal on PC together removed (and upset a whole load of people in the process) because you've once again taken something a bit too personally. Frankly the PWA will continue to get more abuse and resistance so long as this keeps happening.

I support Jerret being re-added, if indeed he hasn't been completely put off being so by all this.

Dear Stefan,

Gabriel has had his chances, and now he's ****ed up beyond repair. As a longtime supporter, developer and player of Graal Online, I demand his removal from the Playerworld Administration Team.

Also, Bell for head of Playerworld Adminstration Team.

Can I just sign this? I can't find any better words to express it myself.

I don't know where to start...

Jerret did his job as a manager to keep the server fair and balanced and when he happens to step on the toes of the PWA's internet family he gets punished for it? Jerret genuinely cared for Zodiac and hopefully he'll continue to do so after this mess gets sorted out.

Sinkler obviously has an affinity for power tripping and is clearly not suited to be part of the PWA. Hopefully this will be dealt with in a timely manner so things can be restored to their natural order (magnets and stuff).

Jerret 4 rehire.
Sinkler 4 fire.

Where can I sign as well?

I don't know why you're all placing the blame on Sinkler. This removal is clearly not attributed to him alone and Jerret is aware of this too. There's more than some 'rogue PWA' at play.

because last time someone banned triple_combo sinkler came on zodiac and removed their GP rights so it's pretty much a majority of his doing

what did sinkler REALLY thing was gonna happen? Oh everyone won't mind we removed jerret because he did his ****ing job? wtf

You're right. There's two.

Sinkler was merely the 'guinea pig' to take all of the hits so Tig doesn't have to deal with it.

Tig the puppetmaster, you can rot in hell.

I think it's just the fact that Sinkler's juggled his 'rank' around before and nothing's been done about it. I agree that this decision is completely bonkers and Jerret has my full support to be added back. Sinkler's taken professional situations and turned them into a personal issue before, and this is just another result to show for it. Good job.

I can't really hold a strong opinion on Tig myself since I haven't got a clue what he's been up to or what he's been doing that contribute towards the Graal Community, but if he's going to let the PWA run amok like this, then somebody needs to put their foot down and do something before the community shrinks down even more.

Bell's always been the one that signs onto RC and deals with the issues I send in (I don't know if it's my charm or if she's actually interested in the issues) but my point is that she's the one that's been doing most of the work as far as answering emails and dealing with a whole range of issues as far as I can see, and there's a whole team of them to do it. Bell's never been a hassle on the forums or been disliked by the community either. There's something to think about Tig and co.

We need a PWA team that genuinly still cares about the game and have the time to support it.

Hahaha oh wow, the fact that Clash got to run Val (into the ground) for 2 years amidst countless player petitions to remove him and nothing was done and then this happens...

Remember when the PWAs used to leave us alone and let us work, maybe even helping us when we asked? Now not only do they not help, they actively subvert playerworld self governance and try to make things more difficult for everyone.

As Skyld and Rufus said, Tig plays a huge part in this (it's his decision, he's the PWA Head)

Agreed. Sinkler seems to use his powers purely to deal with personal issues he has with other players, no matter what the consequences are, and Tig seems to care more about developing Kingdoms iPhone or working on some other development related project than actually dealing with reports and resolving PlayerWorld issues. Bell is the only one I've seen that has shown genuine interest in being a member of the PWA. It needs sorted.

From what I've read, there was also an issue with Absolut_Crono managing Unholy Nation for 2 years while players protested for his removal and there still wasn't anything done about it. It's happened more than once.

I just hope that Stefan stumbles across this thread, or gets wind of the situation somehow and looks into it.

Do you guys remember the "unofficial website rules" that Tig posted? Same ploy just to give Val a hard time. Now they're hitting Zodiac, too.

Bell seriously needs to be head PWA. This is out of control.

Bell has my support. She's doing an amazing job as it is.

Maybe Tig or even Stefan could explain here what really happened? Or is the PWA now able to handle manager removals without Stefans permission?

I'd be surprised if Stefan has no input at all over this. I mean, he's losing players over a stupid move from one or more of his PWA team, and surely that means he's losing money too.

This is disgusting. It's really hard for me to actually believe that this is my opinion, but the PWA is in the absolute worst state it's been in in a very, very long time. This actually trumps the grand show of Malinko removing James Ryzon as Manager of Babylon and slotting himself. Congratulations. Maybe the PWA should spend less time ****ing around and executing personal attacks, and focus their interest on helping the current Classic servers improve, as well as assisting the UC worlds flourish into Classic material.

I'm still bitter about Malinko.
I'm still bitter about PWAs ignoring Babylon's requests for inspection for a month, leading us to lose our server time. (in which Stefan would not renew for us just to be inspected, we had to pay a full 6 months just to be inspected, and that, my friends, is why Babylon is 6 feet under now, just an fyi, we refused to submit to feeding Stefan another $60 because his global staff team was a bunch of lazy shits)
And this really flips that bitterness to full-on rage.

The PWA is a mockery. Graal administration as a whole is a mockery. I know we've lost a lot of great, experienced players, and the pickings are slim... but by God, you can manage a better roster than this sad cast. Graal will continue to crash & burn until the very basic steps of repair are taken. Until then, Stefan, have fun milking iPhone for everything it's got, because you've really lost control of PC.

Funny... something similar is happening with Val's dev server, which they were promised would be set to allow classic accounts to login before purchase so everyone could work on it. That was over 2 months ago and now Sinkler is telling them to make staff purchase a subscription if they want to work on it. Money well spent.

I should also mention that Babylon's classic status was stripped a few years prior to the incident I explained. However: I've been told that Bomy Island's classic status remains? Really, where is the equality? You let one of your psychopathic PWAs in Malinko take Babylon into his hands by force, ripping away an actual quality Manager with expert development talents in James Ryzon, in which he then essentially halted development for over a year, turning a server once named "Home" to MANY well-respected Graalians, into a ****ing love domain for himself and his e-girlfriend Artanis.

And then when we finally rid ourselves of that monstrosity, we're instantly rammed with "By the way say goodbye to your Classic status," and then when we triumph through that, we're shrugged off and ignored for inspection, and expected to dish out $60 to bring back what many Graalians (to this day mind you) repeatedly request the return of?

I apologize for mentioning the qualms I have with PWA regarding the series of travesties involving Babylon, but this really goes to show you how brutally the PWAs have erred over the last 6 or 7 years. When is it going to stop? They're slowly, but effectively dismantling PC Graal, one respected player at a time.

Oh, I know it. Val had a free classic-enabled dev server for years that Clash was using. Even after he "quit" he still retained sole access to it for over a year until I managed to convince HIM to let me use it, and only after that did PWAs assist me with anything. We were allowed to use it for less than a year to complete our development project and then it was taken away despite the fact that it had been sitting idle for years before that while Clash did nothing with it.

This isn't about your personal problems you've had with PWA. We're all here together for Jerret. A derailed thread is just another reason for Stefan not to acknowledge it.

AGT 4 Lyfe!

You guys complain but continue to develop for this game. Do you guys not realize we control this game? Quite developing and I can garauntee updates or changes.

It's to serve the point that the PWA has been ****ing up constantly for the recent half of Graal's lifespan. I'm absolutely in support of returning Jerret to his position. I didn't mention my qualms for the purpose of complaining about them and getting them righted, I mentioned them for the purpose of supporting the fact that the PWA has been a detrimental aspect to Graal for more than half a decade now.

I don't just want Jerret returned to his position, I want the PWA torn down and remade to actually be what it's supposed to be -- an assisting force to the playerworlds of Graal.

"Quit" but yeah you are right, I mentioned this before. Go on a Development strike and this Game is done.

So far they're on Zodiac talking **** it seems

this is a quote ". I understand you wish for Jerret to remain but there are some underlying causes as to why the PWA feels he needs a break. "

But we've had no other messages as to why he's been removed?

Speak for yourself. I am here to raise awareness of the misconduct the PWA has been perpetrating for years. This is just the latest in a series of abuses and awful service and it needs to end, period.

And for what it's worth I did personally quit developing. Hence the word "former" in my member title. The Graal administration (and I don't just mean the PWAs), was a large reason why.