I think the real issue here is if new players logs on and sees it, it could possibly discourage them from checking out other servers that aren't as bad.

It's funny because most new players that come on actually have enjoyed coming on N-Pulse, Only time they've ever been irritated or pissed about something on the server is if someone was abusing at the time.

Other than that most new players that cross by end up being pc id players who just want to hack using an unmentionable program.

I think the purpose of removing N-Pulse is to make Graal seem a little less like a barren wasteland. Why have a server on our main list that offers little more than broken content?

1 out of 20 doesn't qualify the word "most"

and what a great mention - you're server is being used to test trainers!

I don't mean to derail.. But I'm curious.. and this is only because I want to know how come N-Pulse is in desire need of deletion when you've got valikorlia sitting pretty with even less than us. I mean sure make target of N-Pulse if you don't like it, But at least tell me why. N-Pulse needs to be ahead in line for deletion rather than Valikorlia?

Valikorlia isn't comprised of broken content.

That's because other than the head/body viewer, there isn't any content that isn't a level or image

Neither are we. Get your facts together.

On top of that they're full of half baked ganis that serve no usefulness, while having just as long as us to rebuild and yet playability is even less than our own. Is broken content the only point you guys are going to shove down peoples throats anyways?

And the truth comes out.

The only thing I wanna get straight is.. There's more than just N-Pulse if you're going to talk about "broken down" or contentless servers.

As far as I've seen Valkoria doesn't keep wanting to "redo" the entire server, and fail horribly each time.

N-Pulse still needs to follow the rules of no gs1 (I know other servers may have gs1 but for the most part have complied). N-Pulse needs a solid direction to go in and go there, period. I haven't heard anything at all about Valkoria being redone or anything, but I could simply have missed it I suppose. I always thought that what was there was it, besides new, little things, that servers like UN, Zodiac, and Era do and should do to bring new content.

I'm not even bashing Npulse. Np is my home technically, and I would love to see the classic server come back, even though I still probably wouldn't play it because of my own server.

Well you realize each "redo" was most likely under different management right? We also are complying to it, Otherwise we wouldn't be attempting to try. We have our solid direction and it has been realized, Valikorlia has been in "heavy development" basically like us for quite a while. I know you're not trying to bash n-pulse, you're simply stating your opinion and thoughts, i'm just willing to fix small inconsistencies with what people are saying about the server.

Complying to gs2 standards has nothing to do with redoing the server over and over.

Also, if there can't seem to be stable management to finish anything whatsoever, how does that help any arguement to keep Npulse classic at all? Trying and failing over and over doesn't give an excuse to break rules every other single server SHOULD have to follow, and very few that have followed it. Again, not being rude at all.

Like I said, I don't really know valkorias state. If they are under "heavy management" like you say for longer than N-Pulse, then both servers need to go imo.

I said as long, not longer. I'm not really arguing sides here, I just don't want people having the wrong idea due to ignorance or being misinformed. Redoing the server over and over.. Not really of my concern considering this hasn't been you know... My problem, This is more fault of the previous managers who haven't had a solid direction as you stated Period.

Perhaps if it was off the list the development staff wouldn't be distracted by players. Then they could work instead of sitting around bsing.

Just pointing that out. To me it infers the same length of time basically (and by basically I mean at the least).

Everything I said in my previous post is pretty close to what has happened, so it is neither ignorant or from being misinformed whatsoever (except valkoria which I explicitly stated I wasen't actually sure on).

Anyways, put my 2 cents in. All servers should constantly have to live up to the standards of the requirement to get into classic tab, and Npulse has been far from it for a very very long time. So...
"Debate: Should N-Pulse Remain on the Classic Tab? "


...no.

As far as that goes, null, things are getting done. It may not be the quickest thing in the world, but it's getting done. It's hard to find developers that want to work on N-Pulse because everyone keeps talking bad about N-Pulse while they're snuggled nice and tight inside a server that they contribute nothing to. All they want is to belittle a server that they probably haven't logged onto in years, and for what? A little agreement from someone that they most likely idolize? People need to just shut up about N-Pulse and let us do our thing. Maybe then, people would start coming on with an interest to help our development staff out.

Maybe the quality developers aren't interested because the management can't make up their damn minds about what they want to do.

I'll continue to believe that it's because the majority of the population says N-Pulse is dead, and other redundant things that they know nothing about.

I walk across N-Pulse's map and everything is closed off, and I constantly get warped, yet my facts are wrong? N-Pulse is a broken server.

Your facts..? You are more like a bandwagon nobody with N-Pulse facts. Because clearly circular logic will make you right eventually with your "facts". :noob:

Guys, enough of the pissing contest already. If you're going to move into personal quips, take it to forum PMs.

Actually, they will.

*If they didn't, why does this thread exist and remain unlocked? You're all entitled to input, but some input is not as valuable as the next. Unfortunately it's not always a case of "Player input will save this server" as you seem to be lobbying for. With every decision there will be those who oppose it. Can't avoid that. To be perfectly frank though, if player input was all that governed what tab servers were on, we'd end up with a bucket load of 0-5 playerbase servers on the Classic tab with about 50 more threads like this one.

*"Classic accounts" ultimately should never have existed. But again, point one covers ALL people equally, same principal applies to the groups of people within the greater community.

We are willing to answer questions, Just please ask sensible ones... Or contribute towards what you'd like to see on the server. I mean if it's not dead obvious already you guys don't really like us, But wouldn't you like to be able to have a say in a way to make N-Pulse at least in your eyes tolerable? I mean we're not your enemies here, we want your input and help with it in any way that's beneficial.

"How will you make the new players feel welcomed to the server and willing to play?" "Will there be super awesome fun toys n stuff?" Anything just help us make N-Pulse more fun or ask any questions that you wish to ask.

tl;dr: We are only asking for your contributions through ideas and or questions about the new update that's on the way. Was all of this truly necessary?

The gmap being broken and absent of insides is an opinion? :confused:

Apparently specifics are too much to ask for. Gmap breaking. What issues are you having with it? Specific details. How are we supposed to fix things that you are having issues with when you do not clearly state them? Your response seems to clearly get others going and to try and get under my staff's skin.

Going to ignore you since you're just being pretty immature. If you want to clash wits and such, Do that in forum pm with me instead of spamming.

I'll give you mediocre development but Zodiac doesn't have "silly staff circles" or "constantly rotating management". They've also recently hired GATs to re-do crappy graphics one step at a time. Low level armor/swords have been sexified.

So I got halfway through page 2 before deciding to type.

First off, as Cloven already stated Delteria had requested to be taken off of the Classic tab prior to the PWA's finally deciding to do so, although there were threats that it would happen soon. These threats were actually what got the management thinking about it actually being a good idea, whether or not the PWA would go through with taking Delteria down had management not requested I don't know. Honestly last I heard the PWA didn't exactly have as much power as everybody thinks and it is really ultimately up to Stefan to approve somebody going on or off of the classic tab.

With that said let me address the topic at hand. Should N-Pulse be taken off the classic tab? I honestly think no server should be taken off of the classic tab unless there is AT LEAST one server that is on par with or better than the server being taken down. The exception to this should only be upon request from said servers manager requesting that they go under construction. Why? Well look at how few servers we have on the classic tab nowadays why would you as a player want this number to fall even lower?

Do I think it is messed up that TSA is sitting there spouting a bunch of nonsensical bull**** about Delteria and it's development? Yeah I do, but the fact is he's wrong, Delteria's progress is coming along nicely, and though it has had some delays and backpedaling in development I personally think it is not only more promising than "Rebirth" but it is also still actually under development. TSA is being quite a hypocrite here, and I don't see how his fellow graalonline staff are condoning him being obviously hypocritical and biased in public conversations about how and why the PWA will enforce their rules, even if he is pulling facts out of nowhere. His claims simply have no standing and make no sense.

What I suggest you Player World Administrators do is create a thread on your private boards and discuss how you will deal with situations like this. I suggest you make it a point to not play obvious favorites. Whether it be a made up tale of fiction like TSA's story, or a true fact, you should not say in the same thread how one server will stay active to try to promote development during it's personal downtime, while another server was taken off of classic because of a lull in development. You should also discuss the slander. There is much negative speak about Delteria's development coming from TSA here, as I recall he has always had negative things to say about Delteria. Be it a personal problem, or him just going with the flow of other naysayers I think that he should bite his tongue before making false, or any negative, statements about the development status of any server.

Maybe you don't care about anything but iphone content, however, all of your development whether it be transitioning into a more iphone friendly platform or improving pc style game play we are your bread and butter when it comes to development. N-Pulse, Delteria, Unholy Nation, Zodiac, and Era hold the bulk of your best development teams, and all of these people are willing to work for you FOR FREE. Why don't you try playing ****ing nice for once instead of chasing even more people away.

Glad to see you PWA's still act like the damn Gestapo. I can't wait till the next gen finally shows up, I'm sick of your regime. ****ing Nemesis was better than you hypocritical nonsensical idiots. (Bell, you've actually been pretty fair when I've dealt with you, but you're co workers never cease to amaze me in their ignorance)


edit: I'd also like to point out that broken content is a very bad thing, and even Delteria, having no players to please, consistently went through and fixed any broken content that was ever reported to them. Broken content is probably the worst thing that a server on the Classic tab could have. Although I think if the management of the server doesn't address this issue the PWA's should have a discussion with the GDT and have this attended to. However, I've never actually seen any single global staff team work together properly, so it is kind of a stretch to imagine that you could get 2 teams to work together. XD

I'd hate to see how much you would have typed if you read the other half of the thread as well.

I have wall of text syndrome. D:

Surprisingly I didn't collapse from reading that wall. You've made very strong points chance. You said a lot of things I had in mind and even more things I had not even thought of. This is the kind of feedback and opinions this forum needs more of. +rep to you sir. I agree broken content is obviously a bad thing. Which is why we're doing what we have in our power to fix this, But I really hope you guys understand it isn't completely all in our power, Our gserver probably drops connecting to NC more than your whole neighborhood would in a violent thunderstorm combined. (You must imagine that is pretty nasty) and this is only to bring up for things such as for certain gmap related issues.

That also kept in mind, there have been multiple unanswered posts that pretty much tell you that UN is "on par or better". I still refuse to state any course of action as fact until it has been fully discussed among the PWA, but at least by your stated parameters for removing a Classic server, N-Pulse would have been removed long ago as there is a server "on par with it or doing better than the server being taken down".

I'd like to take this point in time to show you something:

http://i26.tinypic.com/5fn4g6.png

I'm sure you've been on forums long enough to know that the little arrow indicates if you have posted in the thread listed. That said, when I made my posts in this thread, information I provided came from that thread in which I did not participate at the time for one reason or another. Keeping that in mind, if you feel the information I provided here was "nonsensical bull****", that is no fault of my own - don't shoot (or slander as the case may be) the messenger.

I haven't said a negative word about Delteria and have no personal feelings toward it either. What are you talking about? I have nothing against Delteria and I resent the implication that "he has always had negative things to say about Delteria". Present these, or assume you're mistaking me with someone else (Possibly HoudiniMan, I remember he wasn't too fond of Delteria even existing).

The PWA have no standing on the iPhone server so it's none of our concern - thus doesn't take up any of our mind space. You seem to be getting rather carried away by this point in your post.

This will just get your post edited/deleted. You say in the previous paragraph "try playing ****ing nice" and further back call us hypocrites? I don't need to spell out what's wrong with this picture.

I really wish he had read the rest. After the tongue lashing he just put my name through, I sure as heck know the feeling of standing up with only half the facts (allegedly).

I really don't feel like reading everything in this thread, but in my opinion, an incomplete or unplayable server should not be on the server list. (having a steady player-count of zero falls into the "unplayable" category)

Although if it is removed from the list, it should remain classic-enabled so that the staff can continue to work on it.

I don't believe that you are not aware of the issues, considering it took the grand total of 5 minutes for my map to break and it has been like this for years.

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/2...1280412301.png

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/6...1280412294.png

http://img807.imageshack.us/img807/2...1280412279.png

Chance is just emotionally attached to Delteria, as a few of us who have been there for nearly ten years are. I am happy to clear up the perception of your 'hatred' for Delteria: You and I have had multiple conversations about Delteria, TSA, and I can say that I'm certain you don't wish us any ill will.

Regarding Houdini's feelings you speak of, that was in the past, and there was bad blood for a while because Houdini was fired from Delteria a long time ago. Those feelings were cleared up before he quit his PWA position, however, and he and I used to talk frequently. Houdini even asked me multiple times to manage UN along with Delteria because he was sick of UN's common ineptitude -- so I'm definitely sure any malicious feelings he may have had were long-since faded.

This thread is not really the place to complain about how Delteria has received the short end of the stick over the years even though that may be true in the grand scheme of things. I am sure you guys will decided whatever you decide regarding N-Pulse's classic status, though it would seem the decision in this instance is rather obvious.

In any event, I wish everyone the best of luck, and ultimately I hope people in general are able to start acting in the best interest of the Graal community.. as that is what is currently lacking the most (from the server-level up to the CJ administration).

Point one covers nothing, because Bell said it's not up to us. Just because your fantasy world has players and PWA in harmony doesn't mean Bell didn't just contradict you.

In other words, we're allowed to fight amongst ourselves, but what we say has no bearing on the decision. In her own words, she's being very blunt here.

Other than that, the rest of your post just sounds like you nit-picking and being a generally difficult person. It actually seems like you have some elitist high-and-mighty position, but that would be just silly! When has Graal been known to produce people who get weird egos after being a minor authority position for a long time? If that were the case, we'd have terrible forum management and next to unseen administration who make bad PR decisions!

lolwhat


That was mostly at UN, who've fired a couple LATs for really bizarre reasons and has had more managers than spar tourneys in the last few months

I guess that's why I walked out of the start area the other day, saw snow tiles, walked a bit to the east, saw normal tiles, and then finally walked back to north of the start area and saw another variation of normal tiles.

EDIT: This took me less than 5 minutes to find:

http://i28.tinypic.com/opo7rp.png
http://i25.tinypic.com/2dsebl3.png
http://i26.tinypic.com/2lj5ffd.png

Take it from me then, someone who has never played N-Pulse and never had anything against it. I tried N-Pulse a couple of weeks ago, liked it quite a bit, walked around the overworld and everything started breaking and then I couldn't fix it without relogging. While relogging did fix it, I couldn't access half the overworld since it would just break as soon as I tried going there.

Since it did add tiledefs for each individual level, tiledefsZodiac.txt would need to be deleted for things to work properly again, I've had no complaints from players about it though.

Edit: It should fix itself completely now.

This is what it boils down to. Nothing else matters.

I saw something about how it should be removed due to making the game look unprofessional and barren/empty/missing players/whatever.

I just opened Graal Server List and this is what I saw.

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/3162/serveri.png

How dare n-pulse sit there making Graal look bad, shame on them :noob: