Yea and there was a hidden room in the waterfall ^^
not that it was any fancy stuff in there but... xD

I liked those stuff about classic ^^ hidden secrets everywhere

sweet I was remembering the right thing

Classic is just going through evolution.

Sadly, I don't think natural selection is on its side.

I hereby suspend my campaign for manager... Classic is doomed, good day.

P.S.
I'll be back to resume the campaign in December.

bump

bump, I was talking to Deo about how I converted over half of the overworld (outside levels), about a year ago with classic's current scripts like "join bush", "join door" ect and fixed tile errors and told Storm I would continue if he allowed it. Obviously he said no. :[

Actually I seem to recall saying I'd be interested in seeing the work, then about a week later you told me you'd lost the files or something. I'm sure that was much more than a year ago though, so I could be thinking of another incident. >_<

I've certainly repeatedly said since that if there's any old stuff people want to convert and bring to the current server, there's usually no problem for them to do so. I kept a backup of all the old content specifically for this reason, and people have successfully asked me for levels. Just note that I won't be anywhere near that backup until Christmas though, due to my recent move to London (apparently computer don't fit in suitcases). ^^

I don't recall you saying that :(

You are barley online so it's hard to reach you to get old things uploaded. Don't point me towards Thor, It seems to me that all he cares about is focusing on new stuff.

Also here's what I had done.
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=68569

Edit: Quote from link above.
Do you still stand by this?

I agree with Luda. Now that your back and you really need to start showing us why you fought for staying Manger when you were so close to being removed. We are friends Master Storm, and if you remember i was one of the people who supported you for manager all those years ago. However, if i had known what you had planned on doing with our server i never would have suppported you, no offense.

How many times did i beg you to leave our hit detection alone? But you insisted that there was a better way. And we all know how that turned out. People have been yelling it for 3+ years now. They want the old overworld back they want the old HD back. Obviously, this would have been a long term plan. But if it had been decided upon years ago it probably would already be done.



Of course there will be benefits. More oldbies would play there again and it would attract a lot more newer players than our current server does. I am ashamed to even refer to our server as "classic" because that is not what it is. It is a pathetic shell of it's former self. Something along the lines of "Master Storm & Thor's Graal Adventure" would be a more appropriate name for it i think.

Thor is a great developer and I have nothing against him but there is really no nostalgia for him. I think it is hard for him to see where the players are coming from when they say they want the old classic back. You however should understand. Especially by now after all these years looking at what classic has become. It went from having a 60 playercount to a 10 or less playercount for awhile. I think it's time you start focusing on what the players want and not what Master Storm "thinks" the players want. :D

Deo has spoken
expect server change shortly (right master storm?)

Ugh, arguing over old content again. Judging from what we've had, Thor's focus has actually been to add more old content rather than new content, but the old content that is being used isn't even being fixed up to a better standard or is completely useless. I mean it's 2008 and we're getting old content re-released to the same standard that we had in 2000, where's the progression?

• Two old quests have been added back, and the idea of fixing them up so that they're of a better standard just seems to be the addition of inconvenience, which is far from more challenging or fun. Stop trying to pass off time as gameplay, because it is not.
• Bowling was added, but UN's bowling which was made 2/3 years ago is much more player orientated and fun. Why are people going to use the bowling on Classic after the initial hype? Where was the effort put in to make it more fun? This current bowling has a really obvious grind with very little incentive. Where is the fun in grinding on a server like Classic? There isn't one.
• Pointless content was added back, like a pond outside of Zol's Pub that nobody remembered, ATM's which are totally inconsistent with the theme and look even worse than they used to, crap like that. These objects only provide annoyance, rather than something innovative, nostalgic or amusing.

Things change, people change, and game mechanics change. How many games could be released from 2000 in their original state and still be successful today? Servers need to evolve with the current playerbase and future playerbase in mind. Tyhm's content would not have existed if this wasn't the case, but we're kind of past that now, I know. Just because I say the server should be evolving however, doesn't mean to say that the nostalgia and magic of the server cannot be continued -- you just need to identify what that was. The old content should be used, but it should also be shaped into a consistent and evolution of what it was, not just converted and uploaded or kept to the same standard it was.

Truth of the matter is that the majority of the older players have grown up, moved on, or detest what has happened and have no interest in the server now. These people are not the ones that the server should be developed for, but those are the only people it's currently being developed for. The server should be being designed for an audience, not for specific individuals and certainly not for personal recognition. We all have fond memories of the server when it was at it's height, but these aren't going to be brought back with the addition of more old content in it's original state, it's time to move forward.

I totally agree with this.

DEO AND RUFUS DO WORK

2 bad the people that hav the power to change the server wont

Ok Thor is a good developer, but no offence, i dont think you really kno what the modern society wants. And Storm your really good with scripts and programming stuff, but also no offence but you never play and have no idea what classic really is or why it still even has a playercount of like 10.(CTF, few dedicated players)

like this is how i picture thor.
It's like your grandpa picking out clothes for you to wear, do u really want him choosing what you want to wear?
And this is how i picture storm.
I dont
never really see him :/

Why are we still called Classic then? The server is not staying true to it's name. I mean i assumed we were called it for a reason. Graal has and still is evolving through OTHER servers which is fine. But if we were the original server and are still named "Classic" there should never be drastic changes.

The title of "Classic" is not describing the content alone, this argument is petty.

The "Classic" you're describing didn't have a Game Coordinator team, why have we got them now? Should they be removed? Classic didn't have bowling, should that go? The majority of the quests? The majority of the heads? Bodies? Yeah okay. What difference does the name make? Classic describes the style of gameplay, the elements the server contains, and the fact that it was the first server on Graal -- Classic does not describe how old a couple of levels are, because old does not necessarily mean something is classic, so why argue semantics? A change of name changes nothing.

Classic is never going to be the way it was when it was truly Classic (it wouldn't last another year if it was) but I never stated that "drastic" changes needed to be made, only a rebuff in how things were.