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TheStan 06-27-2008 10:35 PM

MD, I don't mean to offend you but....two people on that list of scripters can't even really be considered necessary for developement when you apparently have Novo, Zero, and Chompy.

Do Novo and Drakilor actually do alot of coding on the server? Just out of my own curiosity.

MysticalDragon 06-27-2008 10:50 PM

Drakilor yes, Novo revamped a great amount of our systems and is now retired, Read the bottom of my Post. Ziro brought Drakilor to our attention so of course he is a help (Contribution) to zodiac.I don't understand why my thread is being derailed by dumb questions. My only concern is to bring Zodiac to the light, since its been in the dark for so long. Please still asking, I need opinions on What you would like to see on Zodiac. Questions such as, I don't want another Wow server isn't in enough details for me. Explain a little more in depth so I can understand and feel you.

cbk1994 06-27-2008 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticalDragon (Post 1399733)
Most playerworlds can't even find 1 scripter,

Wrong. Most UC servers can't. Notice Zodiac is one of the most popular servers, and classic, hence lots of scripters.
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There is no such thing as (To many Scripters).
Well, no there isn't. But, there IS such as thing as too many scripters. Styles conflict, and, generally, scripters don't like working with other scripters (from what I've seen)

grawlgamer 06-27-2008 11:17 PM

AND seeing as zodiac is done... to an extent, you are hogging staff amirite?

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Originally Posted by MysticalDragon (Post 1399733)
Most playerworlds can't even find 1 scripter,

thanks for adding to that difficulty

MysticalDragon 06-27-2008 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbk1994 (Post 1399797)
Wrong. Most UC servers can't. Notice Zodiac is one of the most popular servers, and classic, hence lots of scripters.

Well, no there isn't. But, there IS such as thing as too many scripters. Styles conflict, and, generally, scripters don't like working with other scripters (from what I've seen)

Obviously your theory is incorrect, Hence Zodiac.....
All your theory's are incorrect actually.

cbk1994 06-27-2008 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticalDragon (Post 1399815)
Obviously your theory is incorrect, Hence Zodiac.....
All your theory's are incorrect actually.

Fail.

Zodiac is an example of exactly what I'm talking about -- poorly written, poorly organized, and ineffecient code.

[email protected] 06-27-2008 11:59 PM

ah novo quit? he trained me on alot of things ^^ ^^
goodluck :):)

Crono 06-28-2008 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbk1994 (Post 1399821)
Fail.

Wave goodbye to the 97 players on your way out ok?
i realize what you were saying but i rly wanted to take it out of context 2 maek a kewl point

cbk1994 06-28-2008 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1399827)
Wave goodbye to the 97 players on your way out ok?
i realize what you were saying but i rly wanted to take it out of context 2 maek a kewl point

:cool:

DarkIceX 06-28-2008 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbk1994 (Post 1399821)
Fail.

Zodiac is an example of exactly what I'm talking about -- poorly written, poorly organized, and ineffecient code.

Please note, the majority of the current poorly written, poorly organised and inefficient code was done by one scripter, who was that way by nature if I understood him correctly. It didn't help that the additions of multiple scripters who didn't really understand the systems piled up over time.

However, here we have a team of great scripters who can understand the systems, make them more efficient and organise them into something better. Zach and Zero are already making plans to rescript the systems to be more efficient and allow more unique additions to gameplay.

If you're just going to talk about how having more than 2 Scripters is "fail" then leave the thread please.

@Crono: Thanks for the LOL2me.. LOL2u ;)

cbk1994 06-28-2008 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkIceX (Post 1399833)
Please note, the majority of the current poorly written, poorly organised and inefficient code was done by one scripter, who was that way by nature if I understood him correctly. It didn't help that the additions of multiple scripters who didn't really understand the systems piled up over time.

Exactly.
Quote:

If you're just going to talk about how having more than 2 Scripters is "fail" then leave the thread please.
I wasn't referring to more than two scripters as "fail", I was referring to his post.

TheStan 06-28-2008 12:56 AM

There are only maybe two scripters on Graal who I'd even chance at working with, Chompy and and Inverness because in a sense they are who I learned from so I think the most like them coding wise.

As far as I'm concerned, the original Zodiac which Yen had coded wasn't really all that terrible as far as how his coding was. However, tons of scripters after him trying to understand the system screwed it over.

I have never been that big of a fan of Zodiac because it has never caught my interest like that. Zodiac was never innovative in any way at ALL. It is essentially another carbon copy RPG.

The best thing to do for Zodiac is for them to get a development server and completely recode the entire server into a more efficient setup and system. As well as re-draw quite a few things (those black menu's are disgusting). As I recall Ziro, Zero and Elk were doing that in there time. However, one thing led to another and so on, and so forth...

Either way, this is probably the smartest thing for Zodiac to do. On another note, you should also get some "Writers" for the server. Try to look for people with great imaginations that can design some interesting new things that branch off from the original "WoW-Carbon Copy" Zodiac. In an attempt to draw people to the server, copying off of something else is in no way attractive. Be unique! :D

Well that's my two cents. :)

xXziroXx 06-28-2008 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheStan (Post 1399845)
There are only maybe two scripters on Graal who I'd even chance at working with, Chompy and and Inverness because in a sense they are who I learned from so I think the most like them coding wise.

:cry:

MysticalDragon 06-28-2008 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbk1994 (Post 1399834)
Exactly.

I wasn't referring to more than two scripters as "fail", I was referring to his post.

But thats where the argument originated from? That different coders had different styles so they didn't work well together. Thats obviously bull****, and zodiacs staff work fine together.

TheStan 06-28-2008 02:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXziroXx (Post 1399848)
:cry:

And Ziro. :O


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