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Lord Sephiroth 03-06-2007 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi (Post 1285456)
Normally nothing would have happened to this thread, but now that everyone's going "omg its gunna get locked" it will be locked.

That's a joke, right? You can't mention the name of a server and the words "management" in the same post without Moonie or someone locking it.

NeoJenova 03-06-2007 08:06 AM

so sad :(

Andy0687 03-06-2007 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Okilian (Post 1285469)
Putting a post on this forum isn't exactly going to get the most sympathy or compassion.

I'm pretty sure it'll be looked into. If not, I'll do a few pm's here or there. Feel free to email me at [email protected]

:).

I wish I had come to work back when I had the chance. :cry:

Cloven 03-06-2007 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerami (Post 1285449)
UN is the only server I can go to spar/sometimes PK. Classic changed their system to a horrible one, and Delteria/Npulse never have many people on.

Delteria has had between 40-65 players from the afternoon into the late evenings on most days for the past few weeks. x_x

MysticX2X 03-06-2007 04:30 PM

But Un has a really nice sparring system. And pkers lol.

Anyways, I guess Spryte is alright but i hate the ugly town remakes they had like a couple months back.

Crono 03-06-2007 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloven (Post 1285530)
Delteria has had between 40-65 players from the afternoon into the late evenings on most days for the past few weeks. x_x

time zones mang :(

zell12 03-06-2007 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Devil (Post 1285407)
That's stupid.. regardless of their playercount, they should still follow the rules as every other stupid playerworld does.

Heh, thats what we said to the management, but they would rather keep the players. I'm sure they would populate similar servers like Delteria tho... ;)

Darlene159 03-06-2007 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Devil (Post 1285407)
That's stupid.. regardless of their playercount, they should still follow the rules as every other stupid playerworld does.

I agree, and I am actually quite angry about this. No one should be above the rules for any reason.

BTW, I allowed this thread because it was not bashing UN.

Kirble 03-06-2007 07:07 PM

^ Exactly what I was going to say before I read your post Darlene.

I only posted it to show my opinion and get other opinions in a non...how can I put it...threatening (for lack of a better word) way.

I just put forward my opinions and I must admit, there have been some good posts like that of MysticX2X, yes, UN does have various, well scripted NPC's which are inventive and such etc etc.

I was mainly talking about the staff situations. It seems that there are "extras" being thrown in and around the place.

For example, a Developer staff section being made when there are already a lack of GAT's, Scripters and level makers (level makers not so much though).

Then there are the developers, firstly there is Elk. He's a great guy, extremely good at what he does but couldn't he have simply been re-hired into the GAT section?

Same with SKrobo, he was a GAT, quit and came back as a scripter, hence he was then in the developer section. (Then was moved up to Dev. Admin)

Hoyt, not very active but a very good scripter, why is he a developer and not in the scripter section?

It simply puzzles me :S

Andy0687 03-06-2007 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159 (Post 1285562)
I agree, and I am actually quite angry about this. No one should be above the rules for any reason.

If you are making money for the company you simply get more leeway, thats buisness 101. You let the ones bringing you profit do as they want, with certain limits.

Reflect that onto real life, and presidents/mayors giving big buisnesses tax breaks to continue bringing in money for States. Its not fair to the little buisness, but its life.

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Originally Posted by Kirble
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Developer is for people who can do many multitalented things.

Its basically for people who can do more things, and need the legitimacy of a real position to get more rights so people wont complain about it.

zokemon 03-06-2007 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy0687 (Post 1285569)
Developer is for people who can do many multitalented things.

Its basically for people who can do more things, and need the legitimacy of a real position to get more rights so people wont complain about it.

Typical Graalian fallacy.
A developer is simply someone (at least on Graal) who leads his/her own projects and have a larger range of rights and staff to use to their avail.

zell12 03-06-2007 10:45 PM

Fact is, UN brings more players to the community. Stefan and Unixmad like that, and they will not let people interfere with that. I just hope it doesn't go as far as making people leave the game. But 100 > 10, so oh well.

Chris 03-06-2007 11:05 PM

Work on a server with 100+ playercount daily and then you might understand how much of a ***** it is to keep things running smoothly.

zell12 03-06-2007 11:42 PM

If you have a properly structured team of staff, and everyone knows their role and does the required amount of duties to the best of their ability, it shouldn't be a large problem.

Rufus 03-06-2007 11:47 PM

Unholy Nation, heh.. I agree with the initial point of this thread, but some important issues are missed. I'm a Classic player, but I spent a while on Unholy Nation, and have the occasional spar there when I'm bored and I have noticed there hasn't actually been any updates what so ever and I'd put it down to bad management.

Having an inactive manager plays a large role in why UN isn't evolving the way it should. Spryte seems to let the staff do everything, planning things, making up their own little projects, making the place more fun, which has actually landed us with nothing at all. Spryte was a good GP Chief, because she had really good discipline skills, but her manager skills just aren't there, and it's just like a popularity contest with her. The most I've seen happen from Spryte is a ban of Malinko, which actually had no standing what so ever, just a personal attack basically and if you like him or not, you can't do that.

Since WiKKiD left UN due to personal reasons 8 month ago, there has been zero releases to the public. The every day systems which are used, such as the sparring, were made in WiKKiD's day and are the only things that are entertaining on this server. 8 month ago, there was a new quest being worked on, everyone knew about it, Seaport. I think WiKKiD left a lot of storylines and directions for the mentioned quest, but nothing has come of it other then a few NPC character changes -- they changed the quest characters into people who actually play the server, thus destroying the whole point of trying to integrate a storyline. Everything that was being worked on 8 months ago has been abandoned, yet I believe this is what the staff should have been working on, because it was new and exciting for the players.

The lack of any updates is being blamed on the fact that the GS1 to GS2 conversion (yes, they're still fully scripted in GS1, not even GS2 enabled infact) which is incredibly stupid, they have staff, they have a dev server, yet this is the excuse. I know someone personally who tried to offer their help and support in converting from GS1 to GS2, and he actually enjoyed doing it, but was ignored by all staff "in charge" of that department.

Speaking of staff, their lineup consists of some of the most immature Graalians I have seen, who gain position by sucking up. I know someone who gained a level 4 RC 3 month back, just by asking! There are staff who have never even logged on since they gained their position, I don't believe any of them are actually assigned any work, so basically the whole point of the staff there is to provide people with position over players, rather then to work on making Unholy Nation a better server. UN has gone through some staff changes, infact, a hell of a lot of staff changes, yet haven't actually placed anyone into work and given them phony positions, like Elk, Development? I find it odd that people who have applied for jobs on UN, yet specialize in things, such as Elk and Tom, who are good at graphics, were placed into a Development staff category. Maybe the rights entice these talented (I use this term lightly) staff members, but that's not right.

In my personal opinion and from experience, I think WiKKiD should be managing Unholy Nation. I started playing UN when WiKKiD was manager because it was actually pretty fun. Things such as big player events, like the Halloween event, were very well executed, and it just made the server that bit more fun, yet things like these don't happen anymore. I also know while WiKKiD was manager there was numerous projects going on, the removal of guns and cars to be replaced with things that actually make sense to the theme, new quests, new events and progress and development was going along strong.

I think the management of UN really need to consider what the hell they are doing more seriously and either start fixing the problems, or giving them to someone with better management capabilities, like WiKKiD for instance, in order to give Unholy Nation the development it so clearly needs, rather then this farce we have going on right now.


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