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schnukelmaus 02-02-2007 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ReBorn_Spirit (Post 1272222)
This I believe is the first step we need to think about before we can even begin to "choose" a new leader. There are certain groups that would easily choose one of their own in attempts to kill what is left of GK. We need to be carefull of what happens.

I agree with Dayaa, however, staff selection and elections will not prevent such from happening ;)

Sam 02-02-2007 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by schnukelmaus (Post 1272221)
Another thing, I would like to point out is that it is really unfair how Dustari does not have to go through an election and Samurai does...

See my post on the Dustari forum

Tigairius 02-02-2007 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 1272217)
We do not accept leaders without any or a low expirience on GK. We also have to take care of get someone who is a honorable person because all citizen have to trust their leaders.

I can agree with this in a sense, however I strongly disagree at the same time.
Sam, for years GK has done fine without staff assistance with kingdoms, I feel it can still be done, free of staff assistance. The only time Staff should interferre is if a kingdom leader has broken the rules during their reign, not prior to their reign.

Stephen 02-02-2007 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ReBorn_Spirit (Post 1272222)
There are certain groups that would easily choose one of their own in attempts to kill what is left of GK. We need to be carefull of what happens.

What motives might feed a group to take such actions...? :oo:

schnukelmaus 02-02-2007 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 1272238)
See my post on the Dustari forum

Not only was it the fact that you appointed John as leader without election, I requested for Samurai back after I had resigned and you did not give it back to me.

On the note of frequency of the variations within the kingdom leadership, Dustari still does apply for the inconsistency. For instance: Tseng, Ed, Fr0, Klay, John, Bosh, David, Bosh, David, John.

cyan3 02-02-2007 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by schnukelmaus (Post 1272248)
Not only was it the fact that you appointed John as leader without election, I requested for Samurai back after I had resigned and you did not give it back to me.

On the note of frequency of the variations within the kingdom leadership, Dustari still does apply for the inconsistency. For instance: Tseng, Ed, Fr0, Klay, John, Bosh, David, Bosh, David, John.

You missed out Lylic he was king before Klay.

schnukelmaus 02-02-2007 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by cyan3 (Post 1272251)
You missed out Lylic he was king before Klay.

Thus proving my point even further >_<

SuperCornGuy 02-02-2007 01:53 AM

i say yes because the leader picking the best person for the job is better than staff, i mean, what if drakeeo quit zormite and pojo or some random idoit wosre than pojo became leader becuase staff said so, thats suisidal im my oppinion. i say drakeeo would have a better pick than a clueless staff member.

Waltz5 02-02-2007 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by schnukelmaus (Post 1272257)
Thus proving my point even further >_<

Unfortunately it's done with now. Instead, put effort into helping make sure instability is a thing of the past.

This does nothing of the sort in my opinion. You want to go back to the "old" way which was changed in the first place for a very good reason. However, I also don't agree that the current system is perfect. Look towards my previous post.

Chris 02-02-2007 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by cyan3 (Post 1272251)
You missed out Lylic he was king before Klay.

and Drk and Steven and Padren and probably more

schnukelmaus 02-02-2007 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Waltz5 (Post 1272263)
Unfortunately it's done with now. Instead, put effort into helping make sure instability is a thing of the past.

This does nothing of the sort in my opinion. You want to go back to the "old" way which was changed in the first place for a very good reason. However, I also don't agree that the current system is perfect. Look towards my previous post.

I believe this does promote more stability, thus is why I'm fighting for it to be approved. I know Stromstedt in real life and I know he would be a good leader.

Waltz5 02-02-2007 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by schnukelmaus (Post 1272281)
I believe this does promote more stability, thus is why I'm fighting for it to be approved.

Players selected about 80% of the leaders you suggested. Yet you point to the instability? Just because you may choose a "valid leader" does not mean other will. As suggested by the instability, rapid changes, and controversial choices.

I don't see a problem with still allowing previous leaders choosing but having Staff approve it.

schnukelmaus 02-02-2007 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Waltz5 (Post 1272282)
Players selected about 80% of the leaders you suggested. Yet you point to the instability? Just because you may choose a "valid leader" does not mean other will. As suggested by the instability, rapid changes, and controversial choices.

I don't see a problem with still allowing previous leaders choosing but having Staff approve it.

I'm not just trying to get this approved just for Stromstedt. I believe that every leader should have the priviledge to choose who is the future successor of the throne. ^_^

SuperCornGuy 02-02-2007 02:56 AM

which in most cases is the best thing to do.

schnukelmaus 02-02-2007 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperCornGuy (Post 1272286)
which in most cases is the best thing to do.

I believe everybody except the four people that voted no can come to that mutual consensus :)


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