well you might easily call your friend that irl...if you lived in west side story :rolleyes:

Re: Do Something
 

This happens in time; Allies are made, Allies are lost... but this can't all happen in a short time.

Re: Re: Do Something
 

It's been several months, maybe at least half a year since there's been any enemies. Nothing's been going on right now. Maybe you want a whole year to go by with nothing happening?

1) castle need to be destroyable and need to be built like fortifications.
2) the king should be able to be kicked by his nation
3) many more stuffs

With point 2) kings would be forced to really do something or get kicked by their crowd.

Leave castles alone, they are the center of a kingdom, and it's kinda beside the point to have them destroyable. Put under siege, yes, conquered, maybe, but not destroyed.

Now that's a suggestion that we were all waiting for :rolleyes:

No, it would force them to make their people happy, and maybe bribe them ("gimme some golden keys or I'll vote you out"). It would make them vulnerable and not really help anyone. If a leader needs to be replaced (or a part of the citizens think so), it can be brought to the forum and chewed through - whether that will help things or not, a system-wise solution would only provide another risk.

Yeah, plus if a kingdom became inactive and only had like three members left, those two members could easily just kick the king, take over, and screw things up further o_o
Or, if someone doesn't like the king, he can tell all his nasty friends to join the kingdom until they outvote others, and remove the king! =x

If kingdom had their own unique mineral you could only get there, you'd get them.

They would be there if kingdoms had a reason to attack eachother except for thingy PKed thangy.


The above points, and make me CP Gov and you'll get the raids in an organised way (telling the kingdom OOCly (so you can't get allies, because IC you are surprises) a day in advance).


When Padren gets on b-mode so he can be PKed.


Hiding out with Elvis Presley, George Harrison, John Lennon and Diana.


In the heads of the aspirant world-tyrants.


When kingdoms get unique resources.


When Stefan makes them :rolleyes:


When Stefan adds them, and makes them destroyable.


There are.

Lol yay, cyrin's back!
Heh, minerals that only one kingdom can get would be awesome

Oh and, that Kerith guy's being made governor once people realise that Markb's just, y'know, left, and remove him and his spare governor account from pirates. Lalalaa

Those are all good responses, but it just seems like attempts to justify the lack of activity going on with kingdoms by blaming it all on the lack of development from the administrators. I'm sure you would like activity among the kingdoms again as I would. It's not hard to make use of what the game already has and what is being added on to itr every day (which BTW, on a first glance, usually has NOTHING TO do with RPing, but has to be made use of nontheless in SOME way...). If this is the excuse and noone is capable of making use of the resources... take MarkB away from pirates and make me Governor again :cool: - I have common sense and know how to do things (yes, it's all really that simple IMO. Many of the stuff that takes weeks to do for these people could just be done quickly. MarkB was trying to restore ranks and it was taking him weeks or over a month, and I still don't think it was ever done, or at least not the ranks he SAID. I, on the other hand know it only takes a few minutes except for the fact of rights and making sure noone has power to overthrow their Governor unless they have a high enough rank, but ranks can be made without rights or with few rights in the mean time).

Been on b-mode for months :rolleyes:


back to the topic:

People want wars, but no one wants the PK wars that are all that GK has to offer, at this time.

Let me tell you about the last battle we had, it was an rped battle, pirates had attacked KJ, in some form of raid, the allies went to CP - not to level the place - but to have a small boat war, retaliate for the attack, perhaps find the pirates responsible and hunt them down in classic navy vs. pirates type of battle.

No attempts to pwn another kingdom or whatnot, we PMed ahead of time to make sure they knew what we were up to and not to worry like if we won we'd try to take them over or anything dumb like that.


First, we are trying to get the ships ready, stocked up below deck. Half the ships, if you go below deck, have no furnature. You reconnect, but its still gone. So you have to unstick - back to main. That's a fun delay.

Then we try to make new ships by the Torub shipdock. Course, that one is still broken, won't work, so we have to go up to Borea.

We drag the cannonballs and everyone's supplies up to Borea, and start making the needed ships. We make one ship, and with lots of yelling, stop a newer member from completing the second ship before the first was moved, or the war effort would have been lost due to two ships stuck together.

We sail for the Crecent Isles, and find the pirates are still there in large numbers, though not manning any ships. We first stop at the north island and scout about for signs of pirate activity. This has taken, maybe 2 hours or so, and a number of people have had to leave, and a number of people have come online and are toguilding about the war and are trying to make boats to catch up.

I take a boat from the north isle towards the main CP island, but when I go below for a moment, I am warped into the blue water area to the right of the main ship hold, and have to unstick to Main.
I am making my way back, between trying to travel and organize via toguilds, and it turns out most of the pirates are just in the castle and don't want to fight at all.

They step out, ice storm and step in to use 'blipping' (warp out hit warp in) to try to weaken the siege.

I arrive and people have come out, and we discuss whether the guilty pirates we have been hunting are in the parties we have found.
We state our terms that piracy in general waters are not the business of our kingdoms', but that attacks on the soil of our allies will result in further raids.

Mark logs in and appears for the first time since the original attack on KJ, and assures his people that war is not desired and we agree our goal has been accomplished and we did not intend to try to wage a full scale war.

As our forces have left, and I am leaving as well, bosh gets the idea to repeat pk me while I have 0 hp at a dock as I am making my way off CP. I end up able to use some healing potions and get warped into the wall area of the next ship I enter, and end up unsticking to main.

We still all had fun, but its a heck of a lot of working around the bugs and its rather frustrating.

What are the main problems:

1) reluctant foe: There are two sides in a war (at least) and the weaker side can sit in a castle. There is no requirement to fight. This is not entirely bad because you don't want to allow a kingdom of lvl 80 Pkers totally harrass another kingdom that focuses on RPing over leveling into the dirt.

Basically: Both sides have to think they can win, or there is no war, its invalidated before it happens by the weaker side. 'Not enough time', 'you got here when we have barely anyone online', or 'you guys are respawning' (may or may not need to be true), etc etc.

2) The lame points: If you fight in a war in a game, it better be for fun.
* Ship bugs are not fun.
* Laming Auras are really really lame.
* Peaceful people getting in the way are lame. Especially when they stand around and mouth off out of character.
* repeat kills at docks on 0 hp people are lame
* anyone on a horse is lame
* respawners are lame
* A single player fighting off 50 people because he is 50 levels higher - is lame. 50 Archers should be able to bring down anyone less strong than a God.

The worst thing about that last point is that one super high level player, while is great to have on your side, completely kills capacity for 'mystery of outcome'. You can be rather sure what will happen - maybe not totally certian - before the war starts.



What we need, is to bring strategy into the game. If we had it setup where the more people attack one player at once, the worse that player's ac was handicapped. (think of it as fighting in a duel with 1 on 1 vs 1 on 5, would you have more trouble parrying and blocking 5 swords? You bet)
A very short lived AC penalty would be a good thing.

2) AC is a factor very secondary to speed. the speeds we have now, ranging from .5 up to 5, should be changed, in my opinion.

If it was condensed so that if you have .5 speed, that is similar to 1.0 speed, and if you have 5 speed, that is similar to a 3 speed, then you may have a chance of hitting your opponent.

Right now, you can rush an archer and hit him, and run back, and get out of range before he can hit you.

Large area spells should be reserved for high level magic. Laming aura is called 'flaming aura' not 'torch an entire island in less than 30 seconds'.
If player speeds are reduced, some area spells should have their areas reduced as well.



These ideas are not just to reduce the annoyance of being killed a certain way, but to changes like these will place more importance on group attacks. Help Roman style discipline in an army win over the barbarian hordes.

In short:

Kingdom wars should be decided as much by the instincts and preparations of the commanders as the strength as the soldiers at the front lines.

It should be based on how well a kingdom's army works as a team to win a battle.

Who would watch football if your team needed to break the quarterback's ac to tackle him and no one on the team could?

Padren, we all know the problems of the game mechanics. We also know that it shouldn't be the reason for no kingdom activity. We know these things can be worked around. When I was Governor of CP, I wanted to have a CP war with Dustari (being on friendly terms with you OOC, but wanting to create a nice big story between us IC involving an agressive relationship). We came up with many ideas. And in this ideas,it was obvious that the point is to be on friendly OOC terms to create our own rules so that we could have good wars instead of stuff based on powerplaying (but then I was just removed anyways, and I never saw anyone play out my ideas which may not have been the best, but ARE better than doing NOTHING). Nontheless, as I said, a war of powerplaying battles would even be better than what's going on now. An unorganized war would at least bring interest as long as it's not just a one-night battle where no one remains enemies.

Padren, please don't let your post be a response/answer to my argument. If it is, it can be simplified as such: You won't be doing anything for a long time...if ever. It's saying that the game systems and mechanics have to be fixed/changed A WHOLE LOT for anything to happen (though you shouldn't wait for that...). And we know that won't happen any time soon... Things [b]can[b/] happen under the current circumstances....

Ho hum, game mechanics, lalala. They suck, and thats all that needs to be said. The cogs and bolts and wheels and turbines and shafts, they were all made from that crappy tinned spaghetti you get in the awful tomato sauce. And when they all failed and broke, we didn't replace them with something better, we just stuck them back together with some, uh...more spaghetti o_o

Suffice to say, the mechanics don't work...they're a ***************ing liability, in fact. We have to either ignore them and find our own ways, or get them fixed. We all know they will not be fixed.

I reckon if you want fights now, you're going to have to RP them. As in, typing your actions and then probably moving your character as much as he can to correspond with those actions, then the other guy responds with a block and his own attack, etc.
Problem with this is that not many people like this kinda fighting, and it requires a LOT of rp skill to do properly. For example, you could do some attack and claim that there is no way of blocking it, ever, or say that you are invincible, which is just stupid. Then you could just block every attack thrown at you no matter how ludicrous your movement was, which is again stupid; you have to get hit once in a while, but it takes a good RPer to know when to get hit o_o
and then there's the fact it takes ages which people dont like, and you often have arguments about whether an attack was valid, and such.

If we could change the system somehow, then i like the thing that was suggested a while ago, whereby there's a kingdom mode and once you enter it, your level, your stats, your hp, grace, mp, and resistances are all lowered temporarily to a set level (possibly depending on your rank within the kingdom - higher rank means stronger). Also, you automatically equip a set amount of armour, and this is the same as what everyone else in your kingdom has. That way, you'd get a whole kingdom wearing their own suit of armour, and they'd all be roughly as strong as each other, and the same could be said for the other kingdom.
If everyone's just about equal, then things HAVE to depend on strategy and numbers, rather than "who spends the most time buying brutals and EAs"

And ofcourse it depends on whether or not everyone in your kingdom is prince, and you are the only king.

The thought had occured, but the solution is simple - if a kingdom is stupid enough to put everyone at a high rank just to win this battle then:
A)Their leader -really- sucks a fat one, and should be replaced asap.
B)The kingdom will be screwed once the war is over.
C)The other kingdom can just say "no thanks, we don't have wars with *****s who can't do things properly".

On kingdom islands, stats such as AC should be decreased based on level. The higher level, the more decreased. Same goes with all things, but it should be done in such a way so the high levels aren't nerfed to the point of uselessness. Nobody Pks on kingdom islands anyway.