No I didn't either ETD, I gave them the links as I do anyone, it took DS 2 days to put this together while conferring with Ducati on it. This is their setup not mine but I do approve highly on what they have done here. It was submitted to me in a PM to see if it followed the guidelines on the game. I will not and have not setup any Staff RCs on a PW, that's the Managers job to comply with the rules not for me to do it for them and I won't. And I agree with you it isn't hard to follow.

I have to agree with everyone above me practically. I dont think one person getting slightly mistreated on one of nearly 200 playerworlds will cause graal to lose money

Plus look here, the accounts that can access the UC servers are already Gold or VIP, Graal has already made its money there, plus they had to pay for the server, Double Shot! plus all the staff had to have upgraded accts, Man, in some places thats like a 10 fold ring of money.

I dont think if i was to go to [generic server] and be mistrated that i would stop playing, to me, these servers represent nothing untill they are under the classic tab.

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and in some places these servers will never represent anything

Plus i dont know about you, but server renting and VIP? Combined if most servers rented for the whole year, or if half of those rented for 6 months, since you needed VIP to rent

As far as buisness goes, its all math from there o.O

Regardless if you agree or disagree won't change anything. If you don't like the rules it's simple , don't rent , remain a player. And your statement of one person being mistreated just shows how little you really know what goes on with Graal. Hah just look around the forums you will find plenty of complaint threads started here about abuse of players.:rolleyes:

Myself and Riot were doing a little math. Lets say in the past year Graal has sold 100 servers. (It has sold more, but in the name of fairness, I will round down ;))
That calculates to $10,000. A webserver would cost them around $1,200, and they would probably need about 3-4, but with just the income on servers alone, they could but up to 8, with money left over. And we aren't talking about the tons of people that upgrade gold for GK alone, or VIP for forums, or VIP for UC servers.

So what? What if I have a server with 4 level 4 RCs? Who has to shut it down? Stefan, correct? (Or Unix)
And I doubt he would shut it down. ;)

Its not that i agree/disagree with the rules. Its that i disagree with your claims that it will cause graal to lose money.

Plus, correct me if im wrong here, but your shunning me from becoming a renter, is losing graal money in the long run. [situation=theoretical] because now i feel like since i disagree, i dont need the vip upgrade to rent the server, and now i wont be renting the server, and my potiential staff wont need to upgrade [/situation]

Im sorry to come off so rude here but i believe you understand how that works?

Your statements just show your lack of tolerance for people who dont believe the UC servers represent graal. Also your lack of tolerance for people who would like to enjoy things a diffrent way. The Reason there are abuse threads? Most of the people who post the abuse threads have minimal posts, short attention span, or lack of power to see the apparent.

Wrong , Spark can shut it down or move it to private if it is public.

So let me get this straight.

- A person wants to run a playerworld.
- That person must purchase a gold account
- That person must have a VIP account.
- So far, they have spent about 45 dollars.
- They must then purchase the space for their server.
- That's about 100 more dollars, for a total of 145 dollars.
- Then they will need other people to help them with the server, who will all need gold accounts to access their private server. Let's say they have 5 people working. That's 28 dollars a person per minimum. Totaling 140 dollars.

- Add it all together, and you have 285 dollars.

So you're basically telling everyone, that for 285 dollars, you get the opportunity, for you and your group, to put hours upon hours of work into a playerworld, while following all the rules and guidelines that have been set in place by Graal, just for the priviledge, of making Graal more money.

Wow, doesn't that sound enticing?

Most do not rent for a full year and even if they did just how long do you think a pissy amount like 10K will go? You have no idea of the cost involved in this game.

And he would shut it down for this reason? I don't belive so. And if he would, I would be trying to get in contact with Stefan instantly.

These rules are amazing. You are going to tell us what people on our servers need, as far as right wise?

Also, we weren't counting the account, remembers....and if they don't rent for 1 year, then they don't have to be hosted for 1 year....so same difference...

All you have to have is a $19 a year VIP account and $59 for 6 months to "rent" a PW. Nobody has said squat about having to have a Gold and VIP account. Nice to see you have your facts straight...

You need VIP to rent, you need Gold to Get to VIP

Gold -> VIP

and if they rent for half, they are hosted for half, there is no extra cost there

Can't you see you are wrong? Also, you are alienating your players/buyers. These rules step over the line, for even free servers, I think, and belong no where with the bought servers.

It's your money, do what you want with it. :) and Graal makes the money when we pay them the money. Not when players play the server. I could buy a server and let it sit there with no staff or anything and who is still making money? I think you know who ;)

btw..Koni..I love you man..:rolleyes: