Of course having a backup is a good idea. If things go wrong, they can be fixed. But like G_Yoshi said, it should be on the manager's computer. I mean really, who uploads something and then doesn't have a copy of it for themselves in case something happens to it? It's a computer. Things will go wrong. You have different people working on the server uploading things you say? Then download things as they change.
Heck, the best thing would be to have one copy uploaded, one on the manager's harddrive, and two copies burned to CD, with one of those copies put in a safe place where the CD can't get ruined, just in case.

But yes. It's the manager's responsibility. Not Graal's.

But something like Trevor suggested will make it easier and more convienient. I see nothing wrong with that.

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OMG!! SOMEONE CALL THE ****ING SPELLING POLICE :rolleyes:

'thier' looks better to me because of the rule 'i' before 'e' except after 'c'. Exceptions to this are words like weird.

I'm so sorry my spelling mistakes seem to have distracted you from my completely valid points :rolleyes: I never said I was perfect. Hell, even said its impossible to even attain such a thing. We're only human afterall. The least you can do is to find something that is actually on topic rather than attack me for a simple mistake.

And the backup thing isn't easier or convienent. It just lets lazy managers be even lazier. That's not convience. This is why Graal has so many problems with playerworlds is because of irresponsible and lazy managers and staff. They want everything done for them that is really thier job and task to do, not GO's. Seriously, you people must be smoking crack or something to come up with these ridiculous ideas. To solve these kinds of problems you have to go to the very root which happens to be the manager. When you give playerworlds to people who have no clue how to actually handle things that's when these problems begin and it will only stop when competent managers are put in place.

Really, Graal needs an extensive screening process for all its players, not just managers :p No one is certainly perfect, but something like this would tremendously cut down on the number of problems Graal has all together. ::sigh:: Too bad that will never happen. Same thing goes for manager screenings and evaluations. Things like that shouldn't even have to be done, but it really needs to considering the behavior of many players.


Well, you weren't and still aren't listening to me. I never said backuping up a playerworld was a bad idea, just the method you came up with. It gives managers an excuse to avoid thier responsibilities. Being a playerworld manager is more than just a spiffy RC with all rights set to active. I'm not trying to act intelligent anyway. I'm just applying common sense and logic together. Its not as hard as it sounds, honest. I know very well how people behave from just simple observations and I know well enough that something like this is not a good idea. The managers only need rely on GO for technical support not as a 'parent'. That doesn't teach them to take resposibility for thier actions let alone even teach them to use common sense. All they have to do, then, is go crying to Stefan or unixmad until they get what they want. In the end, that has a negative effect on the community because there are people dodging and playing outside the rules.

Caveat Emptor(sp?) comes to mind. For those who don't know what that means it means "buyer beware" and its meant to warn consumers of any sort of possible danger when making strange purchases. This also means its the consumer's responsiblity to know first hand what he or she is getting into when making such a purchase. If they don't its probably not a good idea to buy whatever it is they want.

I before E, except after C, or in case when they sound like A as in Neighbor or Weigh. And Weird is just weird.

And it wasn't sarcasm. We were honestly discussing that earlier - we were going to release a small Kingdoms levels pack so people could start a Kingdoms world on their server. No clue what came of it.

Oh that! Heh, as far as I can tell, Stefan is still very interested in doing that. He's just not sure what to put in and what to make players do on their own. :x

That's silly, we already have a template world. It's just a question of distribution.

I'd love such a template... but what does that have to do with a server-sided backup ability? Maybe I'm just too tired, or not tired enough. Anyway, on that subject, I think the manager should have the files anyway, and while a server-backup may be usefull, if it's only possible once a month as was said, then it's robbed it's usefullnes again. Maybe there could be something which kinda mirrors the server on a different computer every day, automatically, and keeps an additional backup version which is always a week older, or so...

Meh. I don't see it as a wise decision or even an efficient one. Its just not Graal's responsibility to maintain backups of every server. That is the responsibility of the manager and staff and that is part of what they agreed to when they got thier server. Even though its not exactly something that is written its very much part of being a manager. Heh, perhaps Kaimetsu's suggestion of having particular servers controlled by the PWA would be better off. It would certainly cut down on all the hassle those servers cause which is probably worth 2 or more servers' worth of trouble.

I believe it should download such backups to the requestor's computer, and upload over the existing server files.

What it has to do with everything is:
Stefan finishes the template server.
Stefan clicks Backup and downloads it all into one big zip file.
Stefan posts this huge zip on graal.net
Billy downloads the huge zip.
Billy buys a playerworld.
Billy uploads the big huge zip, which unpacks and makes the new world a carbon copy of the template world.
Billy edits it so wells give 99 water and there are cows instead of yodas, chickens instead of squirrels and sheep instead of choupas...
See where it's headed?

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So according to this you believe Graal Online deserved everything that happened with Nemesis? No matter how careful you are some times things happen.

(not sure if posted yet havnt read them all yet.)
I think a button that downloads everything into one big zip on your computer would be handy. That way you dont have to go into each directory and download it all one file at a time. Example: Levels/bodies/swords/shields/scripts/etc..

I personally usually try to make a weekly back up and it would definatly be nice if there was some way to make a dump button available.

Yes, auto back ups would be good but what if someone hacked you graal.net and got all the files from your backups?

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Yes, it is their fault for what happened, technically. Even Kaimetsu warned them against giving Nemesis the abilities he had. How are they not at fault when they were the ones in the first place that gave him global access? It can't be no ones fault as it has to start from somewhere, understand? Even if its inadvertantly it has to have some kind of origin. Just as its the manager's fault if he gives a friend a full RC and that friend winds back stabbing him. How is it possible that no one is at fault? If you say no one is at fault then you're just ignoring the truth and essentially covering it up. Cause and effect otherwise there can be no effect without a cause behind it ;)

*edit*
A local dump feature would, however, be useful rather than a remote dump. Its probably easier to keep your HD clean of virii than it would be to keep your password safe. ;)

like many webhosts as myself like to do is have progressive backups meaning, if something is modified it is updated in a tar file so that way you can easily download the tar and it backs up automatically

there is no need for a button or anything like that, the backup could be available to the manager or whoever to download if he feels a need to (ie, there was just a big update and he dosen't want to lose any of it)

anyway, backups are always good and making a utility to make it easier for managers to do just that wouldn't be a bad idea at all

However, the manager, more than likely, will already have the levels and images updated stored locally so what is the point? Something that dumps NPC scripts would actually be a good thing especially for db NPCs. :]

Yeah, but no harm automating both. A manager will generally have a local backup so they can work on things offline, but only if they're the ONLY developer. If someone uploads an updated bluelampani.mng that fixes a few things and nobody tells me, it never gets put in my "backup".