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BlKnight 12-31-2002 11:02 PM

I see so you pretend to be in need of help, we give you all the help you need, and you backstab us, which is a dirty thing to do by any standard and now you are trying to blame us for it?

I doubt that you will ever have another ally again.

_0AfTeRsHoCk0_ 01-01-2003 01:06 AM

It was not backstabbing, we had this whole thing figured out way before astri decided to take over the world for the "good of humanity and mankind"

I should hope that Samurai and Dustari are allies, and they should be, because they are all fighting a common tyrant here.

It isn't worth a damn if the leader of one nation thinks he is trying to purify the world with his goodness by installing new leaders into thrones because if everyone else viewed him as tyrant and fascist dictator then he will obviously look bad. Don't you think that those other evil leaders of the 20th century (don't need to name names) thought they were doing a favor when they exterminated an entire race of people? Doing a favor when they put countries behind the iron curtain? Yes, but on the other side of the coin the rest of the world saw it as aggressive and totalitarian. That's what Zurkiba doesn't understand.

Zurk, perhaps you didn't understand me. When you left Dustari, I said go because you were not giving me an option. You were going to leave whether you liked it or not,. Once you left, you provided nothing for Dustari, in fact, you attacked it. And don't give me that garbage about attacking Samurai so Dustari could have a chance to resurrect. It's not true. Jourdan asked me if he could leave, and he was willing to stay if I asked him to, but I let him go, and he provided Dustari with the alliance, which hopefully remains, between Dustari and Samurai

I wish Samurai the best of luck in it's campaign, whether it has other kingdoms helping it or not.

ZanderX 01-01-2003 01:20 AM

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Originally posted by _0AfTeRsHoCk0_
It was not backstabbing, we had this whole thing figured out way before astri decided to take over the world for the "good of humanity and mankind"

I should hope that Samurai and Dustari are allies, and they should be, because they are all fighting a common tyrant here.

It isn't worth a damn if the leader of one nation thinks he is trying to purify the world with his goodness by installing new leaders into thrones because if everyone else viewed him as tyrant and fascist dictator then he will obviously look bad. Don't you think that those other evil leaders of the 20th century (don't need to name names) thought they were doing a favor when they exterminated an entire race of people? Doing a favor when they put countries behind the iron curtain? Yes, but on the other side of the coin the rest of the world saw it as aggressive and totalitarian. That's what Zurkiba doesn't understand.

Zurk, perhaps you didn't understand me. When you left Dustari, I said go because you were not giving me an option. You were going to leave whether you liked it or not,. Once you left, you provided nothing for Dustari, in fact, you attacked it. And don't give me that garbage about attacking Samurai so Dustari could have a chance to resurrect. It's not true. Jourdan asked me if he could leave, and he was willing to stay if I asked him to, but I let him go, and he provided Dustari with the alliance, which hopefully remains, between Dustari and Samurai

I wish Samurai the best of luck in it's campaign, whether it has other kingdoms helping it or not.

please im me.

Mista_Micro 01-01-2003 01:26 AM

Excalibur Writes:

"Well, Zurkiba, told you this would be the outcome from the start -_- I can't help you at all for another 20 days or so, and even when i'm unbanned, I am a laggy sob, until I get my new computer in 2 months. Bleh, oh well. I guess trying to give kingdoms liberty is a bad thing now. Good luck, my spare p2p runs out in a day and a half. :-) Good thing I got a ps2."

Zurkiba 01-01-2003 10:09 AM

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Originally posted by _0AfTeRsHoCk0_

1) It was not backstabbing, we had this whole thing figured out way before astri decided to take over the world for the "good of humanity and mankind"

2) It isn't worth a damn if the leader of one nation thinks he is trying to purify the world with his goodness by installing new leaders into thrones because if everyone else viewed him as tyrant and fascist dictator then he will obviously look bad. Don't you think that those other evil leaders of the 20th century (don't need to name names) thought they were doing a favor when they exterminated an entire race of people? Doing a favor when they put countries behind the iron curtain? Yes, but on the other side of the coin the rest of the world saw it as aggressive and totalitarian. That's what Zurkiba doesn't understand.

3) Zurk, perhaps you didn't understand me. When you left Dustari, I said go because you were not giving me an option. You were going to leave whether you liked it or not,. Once you left, you provided nothing for Dustari, in fact, you attacked it. And don't give me that garbage about attacking Samurai so Dustari could have a chance to resurrect. It's not true. Jourdan asked me if he could leave, and he was willing to stay if I asked him to, but I let him go, and he provided Dustari with the alliance, which hopefully remains, between Dustari and Samurai

I wish Samurai the best of luck in it's campaign, whether it has other kingdoms helping it or not.

4) I should hope that Samurai and Dustari are allies, and they should be, because they are all fighting a common tyrant here.

1) Backstabbing is where you attack a kingdom or someone when they are trusting you. The Samurai backstabbed us because they signed a deal in ink that stated they would be our friends. Then they turned around and attacked us

2) I'm just misunderstood. And it isn't just overthrowing people. Larrien is still in power, right? I'm fighting for peace but everyone else prefers war.

3) I clearly asked you Aftershock, "Brad needs me in Forest, can I go?" You said "Yes if you really want to". About the Zormite thing, I asked you then too. You said Go Ahead. I was always willing to stay but you let me go. And why didn't anything come from the Zormites to Dustari? Well at the time Brad was leading it and that was when Dustari was destroyed. So how could we help ruins? I knew that Dustari would come back so I was blazing it's trail. If you dont believe me then dont, Because I know what I did and why I did it. I was loyal to Dustari, I still am Loyal to Dustari, and I always will.

4) Why would anyone trust the Samurai? They've allready shown everyone that they cant be trusted. Their backstabbing ways would get them too. And Samurai isn't fighting Astri because of it's ways. It's fighting Astri because it's bored and Zalinto wanted to be the Allaince Leader, Which there is none.
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And Dashio, we attacked because nearly everyone wanted us to help overthrow you. So we were nice enough to help those people. So because we helped the Samurai people, we get backstabbed.

BlKnight 01-01-2003 01:04 PM

You have admit, as evil and dirty as it was, the plan was pretty good.


1. Pretend to be in need of liberation
2. Asti spends time and effort "liberating" Samurai
3. Samurai grows protected by the very people they plan to attack
4. Samurai now can post untrue messages about how evil Astri was to them, giving them a reason to attack Astri which was their goal in the first place

Zurkiba 01-01-2003 01:32 PM

Yes... we're not evil.
We just want to help the world but there are the powerhungry people who just want to oppose us.

For the 10,000 time... We are not Power Hungry... we are peaceloving. But on 2k1, Ghost taught me one thing.
"That peace is just to get down, tie your shoe, and get back up"

And I know that if I was to make peace with the world through diplomacy, they'd turn on me. So I do it by conquest.
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And You know something? The Samurai could have avoided this war if they would've just talked to the allaince.

So who are the warmongers now?
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And according to reports... Dustari and Samurai both consipired against us without a reason. They just wanted to own a nation which they wont get.

BlKnight 01-01-2003 01:55 PM

I hope a lesson has been learned here.

It is time to conquer with fire.

feivel 01-01-2003 05:22 PM

Ok we never pretended to be in need of liberation...
sertain members actually wanted me to be removed.
I also had a major number of members who did not want me removed. Astri came to remove me to fulfill the wishes of a small group of bumbling bumblers and since the large group who supported me could not overpower Astri and keep them from overpowering me, they made believe to support my removal in order that they wouldnt be hunted down and excecuted. Meanwhile you were careless and believed them and when you didnt expect it they attacked you. They never pretended to be in need of liberation. Also you said i could have averted attack if I had talked to the alliance. thats a load of bull****. All you did was constantly message me and threaten that if I didnt do a certain thing that invasion was immenent, and when i did that you said i had to do something else. Then you invaded anyway. You took advantage of the fact that I had just removed everyone in order to restructure, and attacked when there were only 6 members.

feivel 01-01-2003 05:28 PM

Oh and nearly everyone wanted me overthrown, all the people who wanted me overthrown werent even members of the kingdom. The ones who did want me overthrown either quit or were kicked out because of bad RPing. So now your justifying my removal from power because people not even affiliated with the Samurai kingdom wanted me out of power. That would be like everyone in China saying "We dont like Vladimir Putin" and then Georgie W Bush saying "Well it seems as if billions of people dont want Vladimir Putin in power, so I guess its fair to take him out of power since everyone hates him"


Thats not how the world works. And furthermore it is always bad diplomatic stance to get involved in a countries civil war.

ZanderX 01-01-2003 09:21 PM

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Originally posted by Zurkiba
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Even Freud would say...he has issues. :(

Lyndzey 01-02-2003 12:08 AM

This is all my fault :\

ZanderX 01-02-2003 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lyndzey
This is all my fault :\
HAI FIVE, GURL. ;D

Trouble is good, complacency is bad.

Zurkiba 01-02-2003 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lyndzey
This is all my fault :\
Dont worry about it...

_0AfTeRsHoCk0_ 01-02-2003 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lyndzey
This is all my fault :\
Not really
Would you rather see monotony between kingdoms forever... and a rule of Astri, or at least a fight to save ther remnants of the free world

I'm glad you did what you did.. I would have never expected it from you :)


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