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seanthien

09-03-2013 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Supaman771 (Post 1722239)

Mana Crystals give a static amount of SP.
Spell damage doesn't increase. (cept icestorm? i think)
Mana costs increase.
The 2sp/level is hardly enough to account for the rise in cost (2sp isn't enough to cast any spell, so if you gain +1 sp cost for +2 total sp... why?)

Leveling magic is negative all around short of leveling your own Agility (which is a useless skill) and wall durations... which in non-pve situations they would normally be dis-spelled in a fraction of their lifetime anyway.

Lol@Personality.

20~ grace I'm missing isn't really worth it. Especially given my lack of god-spells. For a Bile player spamming Many Wounds.. sure okay maybe. But you could just stack Pow and even get double your base grace in a matter of moments with a rapture on your Altar. (Again, my Altar is the closest.. personally, not worth+)

You're forgetting directors my boy rogue! They're pretty important in core, no? ;)

Doesn't damage go up with wisdom levels too? I'm not sure..I feel like it does. I'm pretty sure grace cost goes up with levels..

Conqueror

09-03-2013 03:02 PM

Thanks all :D

And it's a good idea to max wisdom for the sake of higher "protection from" resists, when you're fighting in core. Because you can't read 107 protection scrolls in core obviously.

But yeah that's pretty much it. And a few more AC from your deity's holy possession.

BigBear3

09-03-2013 11:34 PM

ac/wc are dead stats with no purpose. they should be removed and replaced with a better hit system

NicoX

09-03-2013 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBear3 (Post 1722279)

ac/wc are dead stats with no purpose. they should be removed and replaced with a better hit system

Explain "dead stats"

seanthien

09-04-2013 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BigBear3 (Post 1722279)

ac/wc are dead stats with no purpose. they should be removed and replaced with a better hit system

They're not a dead stat. If you have 90 ac, in b-mode, even with max wc there's still a chance of their armor blocking your attack. In spar it lowers damage by a lot.

WC is kind of just there. It's not really important for experienced players now that leveling is easier, but newer players still have trouble.

AC is killer important.

I wouldn't mind a better hit system..given something logical and better was made.

Stephen

09-04-2013 03:22 PM

AC/WC has become irrelevant because of the abundance of EAs and weapon blessings.

Cubical

09-04-2013 03:51 PM

AC/WC shouldn't negate 100% of damage maybe like 40-60% at max ac and wc should effect critical rate or make the average hit more constant and less random.

Stephen

09-04-2013 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Cubical (Post 1722296)

AC/WC shouldn't negate 100% of damage maybe like 40-60% at max ac and wc should effect critical rate or make the average hit more constant and less random.

I feel that WC should improve critical damage, critical odds, and weapon speed while AC decreases the odds of critical (higher your AC, less likely a critical is performed against you) and slightly buff your healing speed.

BigBear3

09-04-2013 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1722295)

AC/WC has become irrelevant because of the abundance of EAs and weapon blessings.

and also that everyone has enough phys to pierce anyones armor

seanthien

09-04-2013 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1722295)

AC/WC has become irrelevant because of the abundance of EAs and weapon blessings.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBear3 (Post 1722298)

and also that everyone has enough phys to pierce anyones armor

Way to ignore my points :rolleyes:

Enchant armor scrolls are not in abundant. Newer players need AC, and even end-game gear players don't have fully enchanted equips.

Stephen

09-04-2013 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by seanthien (Post 1722300)

Way to ignore my points :rolleyes:

Enchant armor scrolls are not in abundant. Newer players need AC, and even end-game gear players don't have fully enchanted equips.

I'm not sure when you started playing, but there was a period when +3 or +4 armour was something to brag about.

I'm not sure what changed exactly but suddenly EAs were very accessible, people had high physical levels, and +12 was no longer something to brag about but instead something that was expected.

That's why our AC/WC system which is programmatically capped at 120 in either direction is no longer relevant.

Felix_Xenophobe

09-04-2013 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1722301)

that's like 8 years ago m8

what changed was that people found out how to dopv and suddenly tons of plat was being spent on spawning scrolls.

seanthien

09-04-2013 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1722301)

Right because comparing it to how it was instead of correlating with how it effects the game as of right now is the right thing to do.

I could care less what it use to do, I know what it does now.

NicoX

09-04-2013 08:54 PM

Ok stop going off-topic now.
Thanks.

Stephen

09-04-2013 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by seanthien (Post 1722304)

Right because comparing it to how it was instead of correlating with how it effects the game as of right now is the right thing to do.

How it "was" is how the system was intended to work. Because this is such a vital part of the game, the original intent needs to be considered. If you want to discuss revisions which are off topic then perhaps it would be more appropriate to make a thread for that?

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