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Crow 08-07-2012 02:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by xXziroXx (Post 1701181)
Wow. I thought Houdini was bad. This is definitely the biggest PWA blunder in all of Graal's history.
Heh, Houdini wasn't even bad as a person. I only noticed that after he left the PWA though. This, though...

Starfire2001 08-07-2012 03:00 PM
Absolut_Crono was allowed to manage UN into the ground for nearly two years, never doing anything at all and causing useful staff members to step down/quit the server entirely out of frustration. Despite constant player and staff complains sent to the PWA, they refused to remove him, as they didn't want to take such a large step. So I'm also curious to hear what could possibly be the reason for them now to step in and remove a manager who was seemingly well respected and doing a good job.

Tenchry_P2P 08-07-2012 04:03 PM
We want the truth, Seriously

Crono 08-07-2012 05:04 PM
With fowlplay4's permission I am allowed (by Graal rules) to post this:

Quote:
Originally Posted by fowlplay4
Only a couple recent things come to mind why I've been removed:

1. My recent forum activity.

2. I reset Triple_Combo and didn't make a reasonable attempt to restore the account (I did email Stefan). I was honestly waiting until they told me to do it, to restore the items of which I would have done. Triple_Combo has a ridiculous history of USDing though and I can't believe they wouldn't accept the evidence (no logs from GK though :( ) we presented and the fact so many people can attest to it, but fine.

I think it's silly that they removed me from Manager for that, so now I'm hoping we can open a dialogue with the PWA and get me re-added.

If you would like to show your support (please include positive or negative experiences of support you've had from me) for me feel free to email:

[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]

Also you can post on their official thread here:

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...hp?t=134266942

Please use my account name in the subject so they can filter the emails properly, don't need those emails messing up their support ones.
The first point included a discussion on his forum ban here. That is not up for discussion, so don't bring it up.

ffcmike 08-07-2012 05:11 PM
Without being aware of the reason(s) and therefore attempting to judge the decision, I find this incredibly surprising. Looking at the other servers on the PlayerWorlds tab, there is not one manager who comes close to comparing with Jerret when it comes to knowledge, reliability and having held a long stable tenure, and this is something Bell has said to be quite proud of playing a role in the appointment. I hope this decision isn't a knee-jerk reaction, especially given the fact Managers who bring nothing to the table have remained in place throughout the past.

Edit: Having seen Crono's post, it does seem strange that no explanation was provided by Sinkler.

smirt362 08-07-2012 05:12 PM
Absolute bull **** move. I have never worked with a better manager, he actually cared.

Rufus 08-07-2012 05:19 PM
I guess this means he's more available to help out Classic iPhone where you tarts can't flaunt your powers. Every cloud and all that.

Tenchry_P2P 08-07-2012 05:21 PM
Pure bullshit, Triple_combo got banned before on zod + sinkler removed a GPs rights due to it.

This PWA named Sinkler is the pure definition of being Bias



Quote:
Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 1701192)
I guess this means he's more available to help out Classic iPhone where you tarts can't flaunt your powers. Every cloud and all that.

he flauts his power? LOL

smirt362 08-07-2012 05:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tenchry_P2P (Post 1701193)
he flauts his power? LOL
He was talking about the graal administration, not Jerret.

Eskimo 08-07-2012 05:24 PM
This is rediculous. I can't think of a time when fp4 did something that negatively affected Zodiac. He's a GREAT manager.
For anyone who thinks I may be biased as a Zodiac player, that is not the case. An old trial account of mine is permanently banned on Zodiac, and it was banned personally by fp4. This was not a wrong decision by him, however, and I have nothing but respect for him. I'd rather not discuss the reasons for the ban on the forums, but if fp4 had even done the smallest thing to deserve this, don't you think people like me, with an account permanently banned by him, would be the ones supporting this decision? I only see people supporting HIM.
Where's YOUR support PWA?

Tenchry_P2P 08-07-2012 05:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by smirt362 (Post 1701194)
He was talking about the graal administration, not Jerret.
oh my bad :D

MattKan 08-07-2012 05:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Starfire2001 (Post 1701183)
Absolut_Crono was allowed to manage UN into the ground for nearly two years, never doing anything at all and causing useful staff members to step down/quit the server entirely out of frustration. Despite constant player and staff complains sent to the PWA, they refused to remove him, as they didn't want to take such a large step. So I'm also curious to hear what could possibly be the reason for them now to step in and remove a manager who was seemingly well respected and doing a good job.
That's exactly what I was thinking.

It sounds to me like they're just doing this because of a personal grudge against fp4, which is bullshit.


If you go on Zodiac, you see a bunch of players and staff protesting that they want him back because he was a great manager. But when you went on UN two years ago, you saw a bunch of players who hated the manager and yet he was there for two years. This is ridiculous. You guys just ruined your reputation for a humongous portion of Graal.

Tenchry_P2P 08-07-2012 05:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MattKan (Post 1701197)
That's exactly what I was thinking.

It sounds to me like they're just doing this because of a personal grudge against fp4, which is bullshit.


If you go on Zodiac, you see a bunch of players and staff protesting that they want him back because he was a great manager. But when you went on UN two years ago, you saw a bunch of players who hated the manager and yet he was there for two years. This is ridiculous. You guys just ruined your reputation for a humongous portion of Graal.


it is personal due to triple + sinkler being in the same 'family'

WanDaMan 08-07-2012 05:43 PM
It's interesting how we all assume it's a direct attack against Jerret rather than him having done something wrong.

That in itself speaks volumes regarding the current state of the PWA and their reputation among the community.

MattKan 08-07-2012 05:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1701161)
Ok I got some clarification, Xor was removed from his Zodiac position. He hasn't been PWA for a year now.
He quit Zodiac when they fired Jerret.

Quote:
Originally Posted by WanDaMan (Post 1701200)
It's interesting how we all assume it's a direct attack against Jerret rather than him having done something wrong.

That in itself speaks volumes regarding the current state of the PWA and their reputation among the community.
Then they need to tell us what he did to prove that this was necessary.


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