I'm not sure I get your point. I never said I wanted tyhm's version back (though many other might).


yes and no. it would surely have belonged there better than now.


I'm not, I said I'm not accusing you or your server. (+there's also the tyhm over haul)
in all seriousness, your server is fine, some people may even like its style better, but it's a different entity. what I may want doesn't have to come as a contradiction to what you want.
It's like saying, how could you still like Zelda a Link to the Past when Twilight Princess is already out!!

regarding the present tense - if it bothers people so much, the moderators can change it, i don't care. but people can still play the quests in other means, the levels are still available, they haven't been wiped from existence.

I'm not sure what this has to do with my point.

Why is it black and white in one instance, while gray in another?
I know I've been a critic of the iPhone server's reminiscence or lack thereof, but at least my personal definitions are consistent.

True or not, some of your posts have shown a total lack of awareness as to whether this is the case.

I'm not saying it is the exact same entity. It has however always been re-using and expanding on elements from the old entities, while adding new elements to make it capable of succeeding on modern day Graal.

LTTP was a master piece when it was released in 1992, and probably would still be very well received if it was released in the present day (such as when it was released on GBA). This is because it had excellent gameplay, regardless of its console's technical capabilities.

Much of the sentiment behind the 2000 version of Classic is based on the circumstances of its day, that it was free to play, there were hundreds of players, the sheer quantity of content, there were few other Graal servers, it was more possible to submit your own content to the game etc.

If it were to somehow be brought back, it would be very clear that much of it is terribly out-dated, low standard, poorly designed (which Tyhm thought so a decade ago), and to scripters - difficult to maintain and add improvements to.

for some reason you said the quests weren't on the original version of the server, and described what happened to them afterwards.
as if I just wanted the restoration of the levels from a random version, or tyhm's version.


I'm not sure what you mean?
should I treat everything as black as white to maintain consistency?
in 2003 some of these quests were still around. in 2011 I none of these quests are still around. should I treat both versions the same just because they were different from before?


as I said, I don't really care about your server more than the other playerworlds.
but just because you have something of your own, doesn't mean that the opinions of people that want something else, that doesn't have to come in the place of your thing, have to be hushed. this argument doesn't concern you or your server personally.


I think the old stuff could still attract modern players. gamers who are downloading/playing graal don't seek ultra modern gameplay. they can still enjoy the old stuff. the levels had certain qualities that do not exist on any of the modern servers.
tyhm didn't do his overhaul because people disliked what was before, but because he wasn't able to fully develop his own vision on it.
To say that people only played it because there weren't many options, or because it was free, is just untrue in my opinion.

By the way:
I'm a pretty nice and friendly fellow, I'm not here to annoy you or make you nuisance as you say. but if it were my cause, you could have said that I had succeeded - the best way to defeat an internet troll is to ignore him.


I'll be glad to see more people participate in the poll and the original topic.

Your posts suggest that you do.


This question doesn't make sense.


I haven't said that it does. I've been giving you an explanation as to why I disagree with your opinions, and the many problems surrounding them.

Where have I suggested that this concerns me personally?
As far as concerning the server, how could "reupload the 2000 Classic levels" not be? (albeit Graal2000 was a flop, and was made in the first place to prove Tyhm's point)

I agree that it's possible for old gameplay to be enjoyed and that Graal should be trying to further market itself as a retro game. But much of these levels you yearn for were from a time where there was no such thing as an accepted standard. For all the good things that are worth salvaging (and can be salvaged properly on the current server), there were a lot of terrible off-putting things as well. Then you would still have the problem of it being harder to maintain while adding new features to the game.

I didn't say he did.

That, and the previous version not actually having as much of a vision.

I'm not saying those were the only reasons people played it. I'm saying those are the circumstances of the time which provided the higher playercounts, and compensated for the lack of quality compared to Tyhm's final version of GTA. Due to the introduction of P2P, and the establishment of more servers, Classic had already lost a lot of players even before the NPC-Server.

I'm not saying you're here to annoy me, I'm saying you're acting under a conspicuous guise rather than simply being honest and upfront about what you want.

no, the levels I liked best are the pre-tyhm levels, which had all of the heart quests. of course there is a lot of cool stuff from later, which could be added in addition. but it doesnt matter much now


ok, it just seemed that you and maybe other classic staff think that I'm attacking them, otherwise the argument wouldn't have developed so far.
i just want to say that I am not.


reupload doesn't mean to replace your server. could have a separate one.
Graal1998 and Graal2000 were almost designed in a way that would make them flop, maybe because tyhm wanted to prove his point. graal1998 was a too-early version and had in-game cheat codes that messed gameplay. the server changed to Graal2000 mostly after most people already left and the controls were handed to a bunch of silly new guys who started changing it in a completely unrelated direction (they even wanted to add jobs)
a real graal2000 that continues development could have been successful.


there weren't many accepted standards, but I think the lack of restrictive standards actually had benefits. it turned the game into more unique, wild, maybe with its own personal charm.


what I want doesn't really matter anymore. it's probably too late, and i no one will do anything neway. so I'm not trying to start endless arguments about it. but reminiscing nostalgia is still fun.

TheGodAngelo isn't an old Classic player, or so much aware of all the history and past versions of the server, and that this whole argument has been done before repeatably ad nauseum. Fulg0resama is his friend, and not representative of Classic's staff.

You made a post pertaining to old Classic content in the present tense, with full knowledge they no longer exist (in Zol's Toilet's case, in its original form), then inconspicuously questioned whether this is true. It shouldn't come across as a surprise at all that I am questioning the validity of this thread, personal or not.

Even if this were possible and realistic (good luck convincing Graal's management they should provide support for decade old software), using 2 different but similar entities, which share a lot, to accomplish a similar goal would be a conflict of interests. The huge amount of time and effort required to make old Classic playable on modern Graal, has no shortage of alternatives inwhich it would be better designated towards. Perhaps if the pricing policy was improved current Classic would be more likely to achieve similar playercounts to what Classic did in 2000.

I do agree this is a large part of what made it what it was. However in the long run this is also part of why it was abandoned.

There's an ambitious forward thinking server, which is inspired by, copying traits and features of, and has actively attempted to emulate that same server as well as its successor. It has had 2 and a half years of hard work on the back of extensive planning, and isn't far away from reaching its intended level of completion, at which point there will still be plenty of ability to reminisce over nostalgia.