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SlikRick 02-19-2012 03:35 AM

The fact of the matter is, once content is uploaded onto a server the content belongs to the server, not the individuals that created it. If this was the case no server would have anything except for the content created by current staff because all staff would want their content removed that they made if they left on bad terms.

Fulg0reSama 02-19-2012 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Unkownsoldier (Post 1684985)
Were you not talking for everyone when you said "the only person offended is me" which means all the other devs aren't offended. Just going by what you said of course, not your indirect intentions. I also realize you said "at this very moment" which means it could change I agree. However, there could have been other devs who read and just didn't want to post - so at this very moment they all could be offended besides you or not be offended at all, either way its all the same at this point.

Answer to that, you didn't read between the lines.
You're the only one who seems to care about it this much, but I repeat, your direction of how to approach the issue, is too hostile, which can be taken the wrong way. Other then that, you're talking in circles, so of course it'll be the same.

Also, despite the arguable statement that SlikRick has made, he's also correct.

MattKan 02-19-2012 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SlikRick (Post 1684990)
The fact of the matter is, once content is uploaded onto a server the content belongs to the server, not the individuals that created it. If this was the case no server would have anything except for the content created by current staff because all staff would want their content removed that they made if they left on bad terms.

Of course, those are the textbook rules, but I wouldn't feel right if the original developers were not okay with me using their content.

BlueMelon 02-19-2012 03:37 AM

I want pictures to see how it was :D

MattKan 02-19-2012 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama (Post 1684991)
Answer to that, you didn't read between the lines.
You're the only one who seems to care about it this much, but I repeat, your direction of how to approach the issue, is too hostile, which can be taken the wrong way. Other then that, you're talking in circles, so of course it'll be the same.

Also, despite the arguable statement that SlikRick has made, he's also correct.

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I don't understand what your deal is when his main intent on posting is to make sure it's okay to use your work:confused:?

Fulg0reSama 02-19-2012 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MattKan (Post 1684995)
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I don't understand what your deal is when his main intent on posting is to make sure it's okay to use your work:confused:?

It's a matter of how you deal with it, I'm perfectly okay with his intentions, I'm just not okay with how he's going about it.

SlikRick 02-19-2012 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MattKan (Post 1684993)
Of course, those are the textbook rules, but I wouldn't feel right if the original developers were not okay with me using their content.

I understand this, but he's making a huge deal that only the person who owns/manages the server has a say so about it when it comes down to it.

DustyPorViva 02-19-2012 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SlikRick (Post 1684990)
The fact of the matter is, once content is uploaded onto a server the content belongs to the server, not the individuals that created it. If this was the case no server would have anything except for the content created by current staff because all staff would want their content removed that they made if they left on bad terms.

No one is debating that. In fact I have always said that people who work for a server should never expect to get their work back... however this is more about being courteous. Just because an owner can do what they want with content, doesn't mean the owner can't take the feelings of the staff into consideration, especially if they actually care what they think.

None of this is being directed at this case specific, just my general opinion. The 'legal' or 'fact of the matter' directions don't necessarily denote the best direction.

Fulg0reSama 02-19-2012 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva (Post 1684999)
The 'legal' or 'fact of the matter' directions don't necessarily denote the best direction.

qft

SlikRick 02-19-2012 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva (Post 1684999)
No one is debating that. In fact I have always said that people who work for a server should never expect to get their work back... however this is more about being courteous. Just because an owner can do what they want with content, doesn't mean the owner can't take the feelings of the staff into consideration, especially if they actually care what they think.

None of this is being directed at this case specific, just my general opinion. The 'legal' or 'fact of the matter' directions don't necessarily denote the best direction.

I understand all of this, but he had 1 of 2 options and I believe he made the best decision. Either he can leave to project where it is and all that hard work that was put into it can go to waste and collect dust on his hard drive, or he could upload it for it to be used by the Graal community, so all those people's hard work was not for nothing.

DustyPorViva 02-19-2012 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SlikRick (Post 1685001)
I understand all of this, but he had 1 of 2 options and I believe he made the best decision. Either he can leave to project where it is and all that hard work that was put into it can go to waste and collect dust on his hard drive, or he could upload it for it to be used by the Graal community, so all those people's hard work was not for nothing.

Or option 3, see how the people who made the work feel about it. As someone who always releases his work if it doesn't end up being used, I understand that it sucks to see good content tossed away because people don't like to let go, and Graal needs all the help it can get. However, maybe the people who made this content would like to pursue other things with their work. Maybe a game outside of Graal (which, depending on how much the work spreads among Graal servers, is impossible to do when released like this)*shrug* All I'm saying is that fact of the matter is that Kings can do whatever they want, but their decisions can make them a fair and just king, or a tyrant.

There are middle grounds to these sort of decisions, and that's all that was being said. Nothing more, nothing less.

Unkownsoldier 02-19-2012 04:08 AM

To be honest the reason I posted here at all was because I dislike Emera, he rubs me the wrong way. That being said sorry for being hostile - on a side note maybe a middle ground should be installed. If we do not enforce content rules (i.e. people who make content can have their content freely shared among all without permission) then we have 300 more eras running around all identical. If we enforce them too strictly then it is impossible to have a functional server because the turn-over rate of employment in Graal is (estimated in my opinion) 6 months and if they can just take their content and leave, you would be constantly rebuilding.

So I suggest developers must agree to have any content made for a server belong to that server, however it can only belong to that server and no other server unless it has gotten written permission from the developer. All content then would need to be tagged by its creator(s) and that would be that. The server has control of the content but only for that server, after that its the creators discretion of use. Just an idea.

SlikRick 02-19-2012 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Unkownsoldier (Post 1685003)

So I suggest developers must agree to have any content made for a server belong to that server, however it can only belong to that server and no other server unless it has gotten written permission from the developer. All content then would need to be tagged by its creator(s) and that would be that. The server has control of the content but only for that server, after that its the creators discretion of use. Just an idea.

That is all well in good, but if written permission from the developer is required then the content does not truly belong to the server.

Unkownsoldier 02-19-2012 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SlikRick (Post 1685004)
That is all well in good, but if written permission from the developer is required then the content does not truly belong to the server.

Sorry for the confusion, I meant for other servers to use it they must get written permission from the developer. However the server the developer makes the content for has full rights to it (only for that specific server, the manager/owner cannot take it to another server etc because he/she doesn't own it the server that it was created for does) Basically in a real-life sense, the server has leased out the content and only that server has access to it. If other servers wanted to use it, then they would have to contact the leaser (the developer in this case)

Galdor 02-19-2012 02:13 PM

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