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Crono 11-24-2010 08:37 PM

thor seriously...you know nothing if you disagree that un is the last "classic" server left. npulse is dead so let's ignore that corpse of a server, UN is the last one with classic's core gameplay. aka pking and sparring.

no one gives half a **** about "quests", quests were maybe 2% of the experience while the rest was what players on are mostly doing.

ffcmike 11-24-2010 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Unkownsoldier (Post 1613198)
I don't think we can call any servers "classic", not title-wise by theme-wise. In reality Graal is just a bunch of servers that took original ideas from other games. Zodiac has the average MMO characteristics, Zone was much like starwars for a while, Classic at one point was basically like "A link to the past" etc. So of course UN would seem dull to you (directed towards Dragonosteel) because its basically an old idea just morphed with players and the ability to interact. I suggest Graal comes up with its own new original idea and maybe we can have a better time.

But Graal did begin as a rip of A Link to the Past (as much as it appears Stefan dislikes people saying this now), and that is where the term "Classic Style Server" originates from, the new Classic server is alot more on these lines than compared to pre-wipe, I believe the staff of Delteria aswell as MrOmega with Varia can boast of being on these lines too, it's not a matter of something now out-dated evolving into something of a higher level, it's more to do with circumstances such as less of the modern generation having played LTTP, the fact that these old servers happened to go downhill (for many different reasons) and that as a result of Graal Development becoming more sophisticated and the Dev-Pool being significantly lower there are much less Developers capable of creating content of this style to a high enough standard.

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Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1613200)
thor seriously...you know nothing if you disagree that un is the last "classic" server left. npulse is dead so let's ignore that corpse of a server, UN is the last one with classic's core gameplay. aka pking and sparring.

no one gives half a **** about "quests", quests were maybe 2% of the experience while the rest was what players on are mostly doing.

I'm not actually saying that Classic Servers are all about Quests, but originally Quests did happen to be the thing that attracted the majority of players (by providing a sense of direction and purpose) who eventually mixed in with the community and participated in such things as PKing and Sparring, even if they weren't the main reason they remained playing the game.

Hiro 11-24-2010 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ffcmike (Post 1613190)
I often feel that the phrase "Classic Style Server" is used wrongly, Unholy Nation and Npulse are commonly referred to as one but while I realise alot of people have varying ideas as to what the actual Classic Server should be the more common ideal for it among the ages is something much different, I personally don't feel UN is a "Classic Style Server", though the whole situation isn't helped by the fact the PlayerWorlds Tab is/was referred to as the Classic Tab and the fact there has been several different eras of the actual Classic server, I'm not sure if this is in reference to the Server or the Tab, I suppose Graal iPhone does little to create a more accurate perception too.

it has swords so players can spar and PK, so it's classic-type. don't try to make it more complicated than that

ffcmike 11-24-2010 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hiro (Post 1613202)
it has swords so players can spar and PK, so it's classic-type. don't try to make it more complicated than that

You can Spar and PK on Era too.

Hiro 11-24-2010 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ffcmike (Post 1613203)
You can Spar and PK on Era too.

with guns

Cubical 11-24-2010 08:43 PM

You can Spar on Kingdoms and Maloria with swords.

Hiro 11-24-2010 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cubical (Post 1613205)
You can Spar on Kingdoms and Maloria with swords.

with level-ups

ffcmike 11-24-2010 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cubical (Post 1613205)
You can Spar on Kingdoms and Maloria with swords.

ya so dey r clasic style servrs 2 it doesnt hav 2 b mor complicated dan that


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Originally Posted by Hiro (Post 1613206)
with level-ups

So does sword power not apply to Unholy Nation then? (apart from the fact you obtain level 3 from something like a random slot machine)

salesman 11-24-2010 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Hiro (Post 1613204)
with guns

and swords, actually.

Cubical 11-24-2010 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by salesman (Post 1613209)
and swords, actually.

Don't forget the lightsabers. setsword lightsaber.png

Hiro 11-24-2010 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by salesman (Post 1613209)
and swords, actually.

your point being?

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Originally Posted by ffcmike (Post 1613208)
ya so dey r clasic style servrs 2 it doesnt hav 2 b mor complicated dan that




So does sword power not apply to Unholy Nation then? (apart from the fact you obtain level 3 from something like a random slot machine)

i'd hardly call doing quests on UN any form of leveling-up. if you'd like to try and make an actual coherent point about why UN shouldn't be classified as the only legitimate classic-styled server left, then go ahead and try. if you cannot accept the simplicity of what i've said before about classifying classic-styled servers, then allow me to elaborate on the subject for you:

UN has no other NPCs or other type of weapons in which people can seriously spar or PK with - you get the typical LTTP sword and that is all. we can completely put aside NPC-lamers and the like, because anyone who is anyone will PK inside TCPK where only swords are allowed - the same can be said of sparring which only takes place in TCSpar. the quests on UN have never been central to anything on the server, ever. i personally have never done the quests on UN because they are redundant, and not at all the reason why i sign onto UN - i sign on to UN because of it's the only server who uses the default sword, and utilizes it as it's main focus, unlike era or GK or any other server you people have decided to try and poke holes in my simpler explanation. even npulse came closer to this realization when they did away with questing and automatically gave players the same amount of hearts, sword power, shield power, etc. as they then focused upon the competitive aspects of sword fighting rather than questing.

so again, to reiterate the point, the classic-style server is one which focuses almost exclusively upon LTTP sword-style competition and nothing else (and if you seriously try to say that UN's main focus is not on the LTTP sword-style, then you obviously have not spent enough time on UN and have no idea what you're talking about)

kia345 11-24-2010 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Hiro (Post 1613211)
comparing UN with ALttP

You're an idiot.

UN has a sword. Okay. It doesn't focus on that. There is pking with novel NPCs to interrupt it. There is sparing. But neither of those are the bulk of the server. UN revolves around literally nothing. Just chatting and trading, the latter of which includes events and novel jobs. There is no questline, there is no plot, there is nothing that even makes it resemble ALttP besides the fact you have the sword.

UN is just a sort of hub-world from which you can access the small minigames, like working, bowling, events. And rather than trying to add some sort of actual over-arching gameplay to UN, they just keep adding more side things to mess around with, that will ultimately get old. RPG-center anyone?

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Originally Posted by Hiro (Post 1613211)
UN has no other NPCs or other type of weapons in which people can seriously spar or PK with - you get the typical LTTP sword and that is all.

Shuriken, katana, kunai, throwing knives, hammer, rifle, bombs, rings, etc etc

Unkownsoldier 11-24-2010 09:11 PM

I am playing ..

http://i52.tinypic.com/2drb6s7.png

ffcmike 11-24-2010 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hiro (Post 1613211)
your point being?



i'd hardly call doing quests on UN any form of leveling-up. if you'd like to try and make an actual coherent point about why UN shouldn't be classified as the only legitimate classic-styled server left, then go ahead and try. if you cannot accept the simplicity of what i've said before about classifying classic-styled servers, then allow me to elaborate on the subject for you:

UN has no other NPCs or other type of weapons in which people can seriously spar or PK with - you get the typical LTTP sword and that is all. we can completely put aside NPC-lamers and the like, because anyone who is anyone will PK inside TCPK where only swords are allowed - the same can be said of sparring which only takes place in TCSpar. the quests on UN have never been central to anything on the server, ever. i personally have never done the quests on UN because they are redundant, and not at all the reason why i sign onto UN - i sign on to UN because of it's the only server who uses the default sword, and utilizes it as it's main focus, unlike era or GK or any other server you people have decided to try and poke holes in my simpler explanation. even npulse came closer to this realization when they did away with questing and automatically gave players the same amount of hearts, sword power, shield power, etc. as they then focused upon the competitive aspects of sword fighting rather than questing.

so again, to reiterate the point, the classic-style server is one which focuses almost exclusively upon LTTP sword-style competition and nothing else (and if you seriously try to say that UN's main focus is not on the LTTP sword-style, then you obviously have not spent enough time on UN and have no idea what you're talking about)

Where have I said UN doesn't focus almost exclusively on sword combat?
I would actually agree with you that this is perhaps the single biggest element of gameplay on UN since its existence, though to say this is what Classic Style Servers are about is very single minded, I don't recall being able to fight other players with your sword in Link to the Past, but I do remember venturing through dungeons.

Now the original Classic had both Quests and Sparring/PKing, I'm well aware that not everybody even liked the Quests, some actually despised Tyhm for his re-structuring of the server towards his storyline, but the vast majority of genuine new players (atleast back then) played Graal because of its similarities to LTTP, but there couldn't have been many that would have logged on and immediately began sparring, this is just one element from Classic that UN took and was focussed on more heavily.

Hiro 11-24-2010 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kia345 (Post 1613212)
You're an idiot.

UN has a sword. Okay. It doesn't focus on that. There is pking with novel NPCs to interrupt it. There is sparing. But neither of those are the bulk of the server. UN revolves around literally nothing. Just chatting and trading, the latter of which includes events and novel jobs. There is no questline, there is no plot, there is nothing that even makes it resemble ALttP besides the fact you have the sword.

UN is just a sort of hub-world from which you can access the small minigames, like working, bowling, events. And rather than trying to add some sort of actual over-arching gameplay to UN, they just keep adding more side things to mess around with, that will ultimately get old. RPG-center anyone?



Shuriken, katana, kunai, throwing knives, hammer, rifle, bombs, rings, etc etc

wow you are dumb. do you typically post rebuttal's without fully reading the post you are replying too? cause if you had read through it, you would realize that i was not comparing UN to LTTP as a whole; i was saying that the style of sword being used on UN was the same style as LTTP

you even say yourself, "there is nothing that even makes it resemble ALttP besides the fact you have the sword." well - that was my entire point. i'm glad you understood that enough to try and criticize it. my own quote on the matter, "you get the typical LTTP sword and that is all."

for someone who does not consistently take part in either sparring nor PKing (as you suck at it i presume) it would definitely seem like UN is as you described it - crappy events any server could have, mini-games like bowling and other bull**** that have no coherence with the rest of the server, and collecting hats. if this is all you regularly take part in, then yes, UN has no core, no soul, no plot, or anything that really separates it from the rest of the classic-styled servers. however, for those of use who do take part in PKing or sparring, that makes for the core of the server, and no further plot or overarching gameplay with quests is required

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Originally Posted by ffcmike (Post 1613214)
Where have I said UN doesn't focus almost exclusively on sword combat?
I would actually agree with you that this is perhaps the single biggest element of gameplay on UN since its existence, though to say this is what Classic Style Servers are about is very single minded, I don't recall being able to fight other players with your sword in Link to the Past, but I do remember venturing through dungeons.

Now the original Classic had both Quests and Sparring/PKing, I'm well aware that not everybody even liked the Quests, some actually despised Tyhm for his re-structuring of the server towards his storyline, but the vast majority of genuine new players (atleast back then) played Graal because of its similarities to LTTP, but there couldn't have been many that would have logged on and immediately began sparring, this is just one element from Classic that UN took and was focussed on more heavily.

and i would think that this would exemplify that classic-styled focus, as not being able to fight others in LTTP is one of the things that graal allows and which drew players in. as the only active classic-styled server left, this focus should be the way in which other classic-servers are compared - you don't need quests to be a classic-styled server


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