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Aknts 04-24-2002 08:50 AM
Yeah.

Timpan3 04-24-2002 12:13 PM
I mean, some kids like graal because its free, and some kids dont even mention p2p, so what i meant was that kids would maybe talk with their parents about it, either way money is the only sollution, so why not get a p2p ey?

Neonight 04-24-2002 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroFXSM


No its not,

Because if your parents wouldn't upgrade your account for 40 dollars a year. Then they wouldn't upgrade it for 15 dollars a life.

Most parents don't like their children "wasting" time on online games. Its a known fact. And adults who can judge for my selves.. most adults don't "Play Graal"

heh?
I think I agree with him... kind of... It's not an excuse, but it would be much easier to pay $15 than $40, if you ask me. You pay a quarter of the price and get it all but two servers for life.
I'll be able to play Graal2001/2002 until some time in June. Brad upgraded this account for a year. ;)

omni-m00gle 04-24-2002 08:36 PM
Re: Very important announcement
 
i must admit, it does sound a lot better.

as far as people totally against p2p:

everything costs money eventually, someway or another, in life. if your parents don't want to pay money for you to play, then get your lazy ass off the computer for a few days, earn 15 bucks, and find some way to register. maybe a friend who plays graal will register your account for you on his/her's parent's CC or something. i don't know. it's not that hard, though.

GrowlZP2P 04-24-2002 11:40 PM
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Originally posted by Kaimetsu
That's like saying NO to weedkiller because it will, in fact, kill weeds.
Actually, my original point was we lose skilled players who keep free GraalOnline up. The people who make the systems, scripts, levels and graphics that make people WANT to pay for playing Graal. Weedkiller kills flowers too.

Yes, I do have $15. In fact I have more and am perfectly willing to spend this on a Graal subscription. Unfortunately the fact that I'm not American removes the possibility of a 1-800 (ever heard of "long distance call charges"?), and the fact that I do not possess a credit card removes the possibility of PayPal. Thus I cannot upgrade. Swell, huh? (I've sent an email off to Graal asking if they have other methods of payment, such as cash or international money order. If they do then I will upgrade.)

I appreciate perfectly that Graal needs money to keep it running. However, wouldn't a sort of "teaser" function, where you can play each p2p server for, say, a few minutes a day to see what you think, be better? Showing people what they get for their money before they make a commitment?

Kaimetsu 04-24-2002 11:57 PM
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Originally posted by GrowlZP2P

Actually, my original point was we lose skilled players who keep free GraalOnline up. The people who make the systems, scripts, levels and graphics that make people WANT to pay for playing Graal. Weedkiller kills flowers too.
Like who?

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Yes, I do have $15. In fact I have more and am perfectly willing to spend this on a Graal subscription. Unfortunately the fact that I'm not American removes the possibility of a 1-800 (ever heard of "long distance call charges"?), and the fact that I do not possess a credit card removes the possibility of PayPal. Thus I cannot upgrade. Swell, huh? (I've sent an email off to Graal asking if they have other methods of payment, such as cash or international money order. If they do then I will upgrade.)
Are you sure that's how the phone system will work? After all, the servers are across the globe - some in France, some in the US. I thought they just credited the normal charges to your phone bill or something.

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I appreciate perfectly that Graal needs money to keep it running. However, wouldn't a sort of "teaser" function, where you can play each p2p server for, say, a few minutes a day to see what you think, be better? Showing people what they get for their money before they make a commitment?
That is what they're doing. The thing with not saving data to the server.

Magus45z 04-25-2002 05:09 AM
You are on drugs this sucks

ZanderX 04-25-2002 05:56 AM
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Originally posted by Magus45z
You are on drugs this sucks
The idiot alert is going off the freaking scale.

LilNiglet 04-25-2002 07:28 AM
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Originally posted by Neonight


Hell, I'd suggest not even having the Graal client even on if you're going to make levels. If you have a crapload of RAM, then that's one thing. If you don't, then don't even bother trying to load 2 Graal clients at the same time. Most of our staff come on as RC accounts, and play on them because they can still warp to players if anyone ever needs it. Staff accounts are for RC--there's no use in giving some FAQ or NAT RC unless they seriously need it. It's just a waste of RC account. (npcserver) is one thing, since both programs are combined.
Not nice.

A NAT needs a RC.

Update levels.

FTP to test levels.

NC access.

Act as a GP when needed.

Neonight 04-25-2002 08:04 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by LilNiglet


Not nice.

A NAT needs a RC.

Update levels.

FTP to test levels.

NC access.

Act as a GP when needed.

I was talking about non-p2p since they do not have NC.

Neonight 04-25-2002 08:05 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by ZanderX


The idiot alert is going off the freaking scale.
My idiot sense in tingling!

Katmat, to the Katmobile!

GrowlZP2P 04-25-2002 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by Kaimetsu
Like who?
As I outlined earlier, free servers are free. This is why they're popular, with staff as well as players.

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Are you sure that's how the phone system will work? After all, the servers are across the globe - some in France, some in the US. I thought they just credited the normal charges to your phone bill or something.
International calls are still charged at extortionate rates. And as far as I know being charged -$6.54 for a call is not possible on the fantastic UK telephone networks.

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That is what they're doing. The thing with not saving data to the server.
I meant just applying this idea to the current p2p system. Like, five minutes of G2K1 a day, before being kicked off. Sorry if that was unclear to anybody. After all, if more money is needed, why not tempt people rather than force 'em? Human beings resent being made to do things. If you have the choice you're more attracted to something. Example: which would you rather do, climb down a hole or be pushed?

Kaimetsu 04-26-2002 12:37 AM
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Originally posted by GrowlZP2P

As I outlined earlier, free servers are free. This is why they're popular, with staff as well as players.
Wait. Who with any value would we lose?

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International calls are still charged at extortionate rates. And as far as I know being charged -$6.54 for a call is not possible on the fantastic UK telephone networks.
I don't think you're reading anything I say.

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I meant just applying this idea to the current p2p system. Like, five minutes of G2K1 a day, before being kicked off. Sorry if that was unclear to anybody. After all, if more money is needed, why not tempt people rather than force 'em? Human beings resent being made to do things. If you have the choice you're more attracted to something. Example: which would you rather do, climb down a hole or be pushed?
Very bad example (one hurts, the other doesn't), but I get your drift. But they are doing a preview system - just not for P2P stuff. Maybe they could set up some thing so that if you've registered then you can play on the P2P servers with the same restrictions as non-registered people play on the non-P2P servers.

GrowlZP2P 04-26-2002 12:53 AM
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Originally posted by Kaimetsu
Wait. Who with any value would we lose?
A few administrative staff scattered here and there. I'm not naming names because they could change their mind, but I know some who at least plan on quitting at present.

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I don't think you're reading anything I say.
I haven't? As far as I can see, you're saying that any international call charges would be refunded to your bill, charging just the $15 necessary for Graal subscription. And I believe I replied saying that having a phonecall add credit to your bill isn't possible in Britain.

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Very bad example (one hurts, the other doesn't), but I get your drift. But they are doing a preview system - just not for P2P stuff. Maybe they could set up some thing so that if you've registered then you can play on the P2P servers with the same restrictions as non-registered people play on the non-P2P servers.
I appreciate the example was a touch flawed, but I was just demonstrating that humans like choices. For once we appear to agree; that notion of registered users having limited access to p2p sounds viable to me.

On a slightly "brighter" (well, different) note, you appear to have blocked me on AIM. Either that or the GrowlZ1010 SN is broken, because I sure don't have you blocked. And you show up on all my other screen names. Odd, that.

Kaimetsu 04-26-2002 01:20 AM
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Originally posted by GrowlZP2P

A few administrative staff scattered here and there. I'm not naming names because they could change their mind, but I know some who at least plan on quitting at present.
Okay. Now, with the extra money, what would we gain?

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I haven't? As far as I can see, you're saying that any international call charges would be refunded to your bill, charging just the $15 necessary for Graal subscription. And I believe I replied saying that having a phonecall add credit to your bill isn't possible in Britain.
Then how do you think it's gonna work? We don't actually phone them, so they must do something like that.

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I appreciate the example was a touch flawed, but I was just demonstrating that humans like choices. For once we appear to agree; that notion of registered users having limited access to p2p sounds viable to me.
Yes, it would do us good to let them see G2K2 and all the other cool servers.

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On a slightly "brighter" (well, different) note, you appear to have blocked me on AIM. Either that or the GrowlZ1010 SN is broken, because I sure don't have you blocked. And you show up on all my other screen names. Odd, that.
I don't consciously remember doing it. Maybe you messaged me at a bad time or something. I'll unblock you.

Milkdude99 04-26-2002 01:58 AM
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Posting for Com013
 
Quote:
Originally posted by LilNiglet


Not nice.

A NAT needs a RC.

Update levels.

FTP to test levels.

NC access.

Act as a GP when needed.
A NAT does not need RC to test levels , that is what you have Lat Chiefs for and no untrained GP will ever act as a GP on Npulse, problem is too many idiots give excessive power to those who do not need it and have problems with the server because of it. Providence is a prime example of that.... you see what happened there recently.... I rest my case.... :megaeek:

GangsterBebop 04-26-2002 02:05 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Milkdude99
A NAT does not need RC to test levels , that is what you have Lat Chiefs for and no untrained GP will ever act as a GP on Npulse, problem is too many idiots give excessive power to those who do not need it and have problems with the server because of it. Providence is a prime example of that.... you see what happened there recently.... I rest my case.... :megaeek:
Providence is not something you can say is a example. The admins had trust in a all the LAT's. After one defected he deleted all the levels. So what? We caught up quite fast. Us at providence dont need "excessive power". We need RC cause some of us do multi-jobs. We dont have police, FAQ, or ET as far as I'm aware of. Just the basics, LAT's, GAT's, and NAT's. Most of providence is islands, so we gave the LAT's RC. This way they can download (not edit or upload) a island they have been told to work on. Then they upload them to a Temp Folder, and either a Admin, Owner, or me will upload it. This way it saves alot of time and they can keep their levels up all the time and test them. You of all people are not one to criticize the way we work things.

Kaimetsu 04-26-2002 02:06 AM
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Posting for Com013
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Milkdude99
A NAT does not need RC to test levels , that is what you have Lat Chiefs for
Wha?! No wonder your NPCs are so bad if the coders can't get fast script access for debugging/testing. Why would a LAT chief be more reliable than a NAT chief? If anything, scripters are more reliable due to the whole intelligence thing.

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and no untrained GP will ever act as a GP on Npulse, problem is too many idiots give excessive power to those who do not need it and have problems with the server because of it. Providence is a prime example of that.... you see what happened there recently.... I rest my case.... :megaeek:
Sometimes it works. On G2K1 I played the role of GP and did it quite well.

GangsterBebop 04-26-2002 02:11 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Wha?! No wonder your NPCs are so bad if the coders can't get fast script access for debugging/testing. Why would a LAT chief be more reliable than a NAT chief? If anything, scripters are more reliable due to the whole intelligence thing.



Sometimes it works. On G2K1 I played the role of GP and did it quite well.
You saying LAT's are dumb? Meanie :-(

ZanderX 04-26-2002 02:24 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Milkdude99
A NAT does not need RC to test levels , that is what you have Lat Chiefs for and no untrained GP will ever act as a GP on Npulse, problem is too many idiots give excessive power to those who do not need it and have problems with the server because of it. Providence is a prime example of that.... you see what happened there recently.... I rest my case.... :megaeek:
Oh, how I wish I was not at school and had access to my nice archive of funny SHUT UP pictures. Subtle hint there.

GangsterBebop 04-26-2002 02:29 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by ZanderX


Oh, how I wish I was not at school and had access to my nice archive of funny SHUT UP pictures. Subtle hint there.

LilNiglet 04-26-2002 03:05 AM
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Posting for Com013
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Milkdude99
A NAT does not need RC to test levels , that is what you have Lat Chiefs for and no untrained GP will ever act as a GP on Npulse, problem is too many idiots give excessive power to those who do not need it and have problems with the server because of it. Providence is a prime example of that.... you see what happened there recently.... I rest my case.... :megaeek:
Moongod. I'm sure you know VERY well that NPC's act WAY diffrentlly online, and I'd rather not wait for a LAT chief to get on. Besides, we (Delteria) don't hire just anyone, we actually look at the history of the player, ask other PW admins about him\her, etc etc, unlike a few playerworlds that have been hacked on multiple times... *cough*

_0AfTeRsHoCk0_ 04-26-2002 05:44 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by LilNiglet

Moongod. I'm sure you know VERY well that NPC's act WAY diffrentlly online, and I'd rather not wait for a LAT chief to get on. Besides, we (Delteria) don't hire just anyone, we actually look at the history of the player, ask other PW admins about him\her, etc etc, unlike a few playerworlds that have been hacked on multiple times... *cough*
Hahaha

ZeroFXSM 04-26-2002 10:05 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by _0AfTeRsHoCk0_

Hahaha
Whoa ho! Lets not turn this into a playerworld flame war! Ho ho ho!

Kadar 04-26-2002 11:41 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by ZeroFXSM


Whoa ho! Lets not turn this into a playerworld flame war! Ho ho ho!
Merry Christmas

Kaimetsu 04-26-2002 11:46 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by GangsterBebop


You saying LAT's are dumb? Meanie :-(
Scripters (or rather good scripters) tend to be intelligent. Any fool can tile a level.

Disclaimer: Go learn about statistical study before you decide to be offended by this

Saga2001 04-26-2002 03:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Scripters (or rather good scripters) tend to be intelligent. Any fool can tile a level.

Disclaimer: Go learn about statistical study before you decide to be offended by this
YAY!
Kaimetsu: Protecting (rather good) Scripters all around the world. :D

GangsterBebop 04-26-2002 10:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Scripters (or rather good scripters) tend to be intelligent. Any fool can tile a level.

Disclaimer: Go learn about statistical study before you decide to be offended by this
It takes time to "tile" a level you know. You also have to have a sense of originality and design. Just because your intelligent doesn't mean your more trustworthy. Look at ******, he was very intelligent, but he was power hungry and wanted to take over all of the world. Also, I dont know how you could get these statistics if you haven't tested every level maker and npc maker.:rolleyes:


I didnt know "hit-ler" was a bad word, so where the ******'s are it's supposed to say hit-ler.

Kaimetsu 04-26-2002 11:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by GangsterBebop

It takes time to "tile" a level you know. You also have to have a sense of originality and design.
Yet not intelligence.

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Just because your intelligent doesn't mean your more trustworthy. Look at ******, he was very intelligent, but he was power hungry and wanted to take over all of the world.
That doesn't mean he couldn't be trusted. Besides, I never stated it as a rule. Intelligent people tend to be more mature and thus more trustworthy. Magic word:

TEND

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Also, I dont know how you could get these statistics if you haven't tested every level maker and npc maker.:rolleyes:
What statistics? I never posted any statistics.

GangsterBebop 04-26-2002 11:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Yet not intelligence.
Are you saying if you have design skills and originality your are not intelligent?

Quote:
Originally posted by Kaimetsu



That doesn't mean he couldn't be trusted. Besides, I never stated it as a rule. Intelligent people tend to be more mature and thus more trustworthy. Magic word:

TEND
I agree, but learning to script is practice, some people cannot make levels if their life depended on it.

Quote:
Originally posted by Kaimetsu



What statistics? I never posted any statistics.
yes you did, something about a "statistical fact that NATs are smart" or something

Slaktmaster 04-26-2002 11:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by GangsterBebop

Are you saying if you have design skills and originality your are not intelligent?


I agree, but learning to script is practice, some people cannot make levels if their life depended on it.


yes you did, something about a "statistical fact that NATs are smart" or something
Please. He never said you are dumb because you tile levels.

Kaimetsu 04-26-2002 11:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by GangsterBebop

Are you saying if you have design skills and originality your are not intelligent?
I'm saying that design skills and originality aren't very good indicators of intelligence.

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I agree, but learning to script is practice, some people cannot make levels if their life depended on it.
Just as some people couldn't script under the same conditions. More people, in fact.

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yes you did, something about a "statistical fact that NATs are smart" or something
Quote me.

Falcor 04-28-2002 04:31 AM
Every thread turns into a flame war in some way or another :(
think this announcment should have been locked after it was posted =\

_0AfTeRsHoCk0_ 04-28-2002 05:47 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Falcor
Every thread turns into a flame war in some way or another :(
think this announcment should have been locked after it was posted =\
I will let Alkaren decide

Warcaptain 04-29-2002 06:53 AM
Since I do not have the time to go through every post in this thread, I want to ask a question.

Since accounts that were previously upgraded (like my own), they will be bumped up because we have payed the $15 fee already.

With the upgrade that that includes, will accounts such as mine, previously upgraded and now run out, be able to access the forums once more?
And I think I interpreted the announcement correctly, but just making sure.
This upgrade accounts for those who are registered now, but also to those who have registered before, and now have had their accounts run out. Right?

GangsterBebop 04-29-2002 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by Falcor
Every thread turns into a flame war in some way or another :(
think this announcment should have been locked after it was posted =\
the forums would be pretty boring if we all got along:rolleyes:

_0AfTeRsHoCk0_ 04-29-2002 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by GangsterBebop

the forums would be pretty boring if we all got along:rolleyes:
Hmm.. I agree I find some sort of humor and excitment in watching people argue SOMETIMES, but we can still constuctively criticize each other and it wouldn't get boring

DarkDracoX 04-30-2002 02:31 AM
This thread should be locked or something...
Or unstuck ;)

Andor_RC9 04-30-2002 03:31 AM
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Originally posted by freddyfox
Either this is the greatest thing to happen to graal ever, or I'm on drugs.

I'd vote for the first option.
I vote for the second.

Andor_RC9 04-30-2002 03:37 AM
When graal online started, they said it would be free forever.

i dont know, after like 2 - 3 years, look at it now??

im not anti-graal, im anti-lie.

and i dont think you should be able to put a price on
what we (The Players) have made for you.

you provided the enviroment, we provided everything else.

a friend of mine recently sent a letter to unixmad to prove
me wrong that graal online has gone all money hungry and
stuff, he hasnt got a reply yet, which shows im partly right,
or that unixmad doesnt reply to fan mail.


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